Daniel Peterson Lied...Again

[pellegrino]

Or phallic.

one in the same, Solon, one in the same.

[DWhitmer]

"I don't believe it. I don't believe that Joseph Smith and his associates were liars." (Daniel P.)

Perhaps Joe's closest "associate" was his brother Hyrum; very honorable:

"Hyrum Smith came to our house, with the affidavits all written out, and forced us to sign them. Joseph and the Church must be saved, said he. We saw that resistance was useless, they would have ruined us; so we signed the papers." (Andrew F. Smith, The Saintly Scoundrel: The Life and Times of Dr. John Cook Bennett, Urbana and Chicago: University of Illinois Press, 1971, p. 141; Richard S. Van Wagoner, "Sarah Pratt: The Shaping of an Apostate", Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, vol. 19 no. 2, p. 79)

That's real honest.

[wuapinmon]

Or phallic.

I must confess, when I paraphrased Phaedrus, I was thinking of you.

[Viking]

OK, I have a large enough sample size of DWhitmer to know that he posts in the form of thoughtfulness, but denies the power thereof.

this is funny.

[DWhitmer]

Like I said, content is king and those who squint at a gnat are the same who swallow the proverbial camel.

Care to add content or do you prefer to lurk?

[Jeff Lebowski]

"I don't believe it. I don't believe that Joseph Smith and his associates were liars." (Daniel P.)

Perhaps Joe's closest "associate" was his brother Hyrum; very honorable:

"Hyrum Smith came to our house, with the affidavits all written out, and forced us to sign them. Joseph and the Church must be saved, said he. We saw that resistance was useless, they would have ruined us; so we signed the papers." (Andrew F. Smith, The Saintly Scoundrel: The Life and Times of Dr. John Cook Bennett, Urbana and Chicago: University of Illinois Press, 1971, p. 141; Richard S. Van Wagoner, "Sarah Pratt: The Shaping of an Apostate", Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, vol. 19 no. 2, p. 79)

That's real honest.

Meh. You are quoting apostates. You can't trust those people to tell the truth.

[DWhitmer]

I'll add some content. Here is a fine example of a bald faced lie from believer - Willard Richards, charging the Law brothers with being part of the mob that killed Joe and Hyrum:

List of the Mob at Carthage According to Willard Richards
'William Law, Wm. A. Rollason,
Wilson Law, Wm. H. J. Marr,
Robert D. Foster, S. M. Marr,
Charles A. Foster, Sylvester Emmons,
Francis M. Higbee, Alexander Sympson,
Chauncey L. Higbee, John Eagle,
Joseph H. Jackson, Henry O. Norton,
John M. Finch, Augustine Spencer.
The foregoing have been aided and abetted by—Charles Ivins and family, P. T. Rolfe, N. J. Higbee.
William Cook, and Sarah, his wife, formerly Sarah Crooks, of Manchester.' (HC 7:146)

The Law brothers were in another town.

[Y84it]

I am convinced. Where to I go to Church now?

[DWhitmer]

I am convinced. Where to I go to Church now?

10 And if it so be that the church is built upon my gospel then will the Father show forth his own works in it. (3 Ne. 27)

The onus is on us.

a. Learn what the gospel looks like.

b. Attend churches in your area to see which are congruent.

c. See their fruits; is God alive in it?

d. Prayer. Ask our Father where. If you have talented kids, you could be a real asset to a church somewhere. It's an investment; who could benefit from your group of talents?

Likewise, there may be service opportunities or teachings that you and your family are ready for.

[scottie]

I'm confused... are we talking about JS lying or about Daniel Peterson lying? JS lied on May 26th, 1844 in his testimony against the dissenters at Nauvoo (History of the Church / Volume 6).

Be meek and lowly, upright and pure; render good for evil. If you bring on yourselves your own destruction, I will complain. It is not right for a man to bare down his neck to the oppressor always. Be humble and patient in all circumstances of life; we shall then triumph more gloriously. What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one.

He had 34 wives at the time he said he could only find one.

http://www.kristus.dk/jkk/text.php?id=90268

[The_Douger]

10 And if it so be that the church is built upon my gospel then will the Father show forth his own works in it. (3 Ne. 27)

The onus is on us.

a. Learn what the gospel looks like.

b. Attend churches in your area to see which are congruent.

c. See their fruits; is God alive in it?

d. Prayer. Ask our Father where. If you have talented kids, you could be a real asset to a church somewhere. It's an investment; who could benefit from your group of talents?

Likewise, there may be service opportunities or teachings that you and your family are ready for.

But what if we've been to all the churches around here and the LDS one is the only true one?

[DWhitmer]

I'm confused... are we talking about JS lying or about Daniel Peterson lying?

D. Peterson said J.Smith "and associates" never lied. He said it twice and yet he knows they had, which makes D. Peterson a liar.

JS lied on May 26th, 1844 in his testimony against the dissenters at Nauvoo (History of the Church / Volume 6)...He had 34 wives at the time he said he could only find one. http://www.kristus.dk/jkk/text.php?id=90268

[That sarcasm reminded me of a certain politician of late.]

The crime of course is D&C 132. Here are some highlights:

v. 3 all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

v. 4 if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned

v. 6 was instituted for the fulness of my glory...or he shall be damned

v. 7 realed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed...through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred)

v. 19 if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder [every other sin is a wash] whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods,

v. 20 Then shall they be gods...they be above all...have all power, and the angels are subject unto them...except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory.

v. 27 he that abideth not this law can in nowise enter into my glory, but shall be damned, saith the Lord.

v. 49 For I am the Lord thy God, and will be with thee [J.Smith] even unto the end of the world, and through all eternity; for verily I seal upon you your exaltation, and prepare a throne for you in the kingdom of my Father, with Abraham your father.

v. 52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given [J.Smith already had 30+ wives by this time] unto my servant Joseph

v. 54 I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith...if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed

v. 60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him;

v. 62 if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him

v. 63 for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth...for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men

v. 64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her;

v. 65 she then becomes the transgressor

LOOK: If DC 132 is wrong, then the temple is a waste.

[Jeff Lebowski]

JS practiced secret polygamy? No way! That all started with BY. They did it to take care of all of the widows left behind by all of the persecution.

[DWhitmer]

But what if we've been to all the churches around here and the LDS one is the only true one?

The LDS Church does not pass the first requirement. Remember, there but two churches and you cannot serve two masters; it just can't be done.

[DWhitmer]

JS practiced secret polygamy? No way! That all started with BY. They did it to take care of all of the widows left behind by all of the persecution.

Except according to DC 132, it's really about meeting a foreordained requirement so we won't "be damned."