Liquor licenses at Church's City Creek Center?

[Surfah]

I understand your argument. It is just a poor one. Are you suggesting that the Church stop CCC because of these members? Besides, those who have chimed in this thread in opposition to CCC don't seem to fit the subset you're arguing for.

[scottie]

[Babs]

I bet she didn't really think it was just her. That crazy Babs!

fine! Maybe it's just me and landpoke and Indy and Surf and ER, but...

[Babs]

There are Mormons (see CB) who have a problem with the Marriotts (they are a Mormon family) offering porn in their hotels. I will not be surprised if those same folks are left scratching their heads if the Mormon church allows businesses in its CCC to sell alcohol.

lol. Yes, I realize that. I didn't say I didn't understand your analogy. I said it didn't seem very analogous. But perhaps the Mormons you refer to would perceive the two instances as analogous, in which case your point stands.

[Surfah]

There are Mormons (see CB) who have a problem with the Marriotts (they are a Mormon family) offering porn in their hotels. I will not be surprised if those same folks are left scratching their heads if the Mormon church allows businesses in its CCC to sell alcohol.

[UtahDan]

Of course. And maybe what you propose is exactly what is happening. But who knows? Nobody that posts on CUF. Given that none of us know how much money the Church has, what portion of that goes to charities and welfare projects, what investments the Church has, how much tithing contributions amount to, etc., I just think there are much bigger windmills to fight.

Ha! I will choose my own windmills thank you very much. I do hear what you are saying and maybe it is an argument for a return to transparency. Still in the absence of any other data I think a 3B expenditure that Will not produce a picuniary ROI any time soon suggests a lot about how much fee cash there is. I think that is more than enough to fuel some reasonable questions here. IMO anyway.

[Indy Coug]

I bet she didn't really think it was just her. That crazy Babs!

Since she's a Protestant in a Mormon world, I just wanted her to feel more at home.

[ERCougar]

It's not just you.

I bet she didn't really think it was just her. That crazy Babs!

[scottie]

Maybe it's just me, but this doesn't seem very analogous.

There are Mormons (see CB) who have a problem with the Marriotts (they are a Mormon family) offering porn in their hotels. I will not be surprised if those same folks are left scratching their heads if the Mormon church allows businesses in its CCC to sell alcohol.

[Moliere]

The church is obviously free to spend it's money however it chooses. The Jesus that I've read about in the New Testament would spend his money healing the sick, clothing the naked, and feeding the hungry, not providing high end housing and shopping for the rich. I know the church does a lot of good. They could do a lot more. Any church that claims to be Christ's church should spend most of their money on things Christ would spend it on, not lavish developments. They should spend all of their resources on the needy today. Have some faith that God will provide for tomorrow. This is the sort of thing that would inspire.

We are squeezing out faith and replacing it with financial security. Who needs the gifts of the spirit when we have modern technology and good investment advisors?

[Indy Coug]

Maybe it's just me, but this doesn't seem very analogous.

It's not just you.

[Surfah]

Conversely it could invest half of it and spend the rest on commercial development and most members would be fine with that. I'm not sure either of our comments really answers the question of what ought to be done.

Of course. And maybe what you propose is exactly what is happening. But who knows? Nobody that posts on CUF. Given that none of us know how much money the Church has, what portion of that goes to charities and welfare projects, what investments the Church has, how much tithing contributions amount to, etc., I just think there are much bigger windmills to fight.

[Babs]

I would think Mormons who are uneasy with Marriotts selling porn would have a problem it.

Maybe it's just me, but this doesn't seem very analogous.

[UtahDan]

There isn't enough that the Church could do to satisfy everyone. The Church could divest all of its assets and give them away to charity and I'm positive that it would be roundly criticized by many.

Conversely it could invest half of it and spend the rest on commercial development and most members would be fine with that. I'm not sure either of our comments really answers the question of what ought to be done.

[Surfah]

The church is obviously free to spend it's money however it chooses. The Jesus that I've read about in the New Testament would spend his money healing the sick, clothing the naked, and feeding the hungry, not providing high end housing and shopping for the rich. I know the church does a lot of good. They could do a lot more. Any church that claims to be Christ's church should spend most of their money on things Christ would spend it on, not lavish developments. They should spend all of their resources on the needy today. Have some faith that God will provide for tomorrow. This is the sort of thing that would inspire.

I am not picking on you, but I thought this was interesting given the absence of faith in many of the hard things discussed in the Foyer.