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  • Immigration & Prop 8 from an Apostle

    A couple of Sundays ago we had Stake Conference. We were getting a new Stake Presidency, so we had an Apostle present - Quentin L. Cook. During the Priesthood Leadership session he took the last half of the meeting and openned it up for questions. He accompanied by the Ogden Mission President and a 70 who's name I never could figure out how to spell - and had them help answer some of the questions.

    I was impressed when a couple of men had the guts to ask about immigration and Prop 8. And I wanted to share Elder Cook's response. He indicated that he shares responsibility for Public Relations - so I'm going to assume that he would have been involved when some of this went down and would know what he's talking about.

    First - Immigration. An attorney asked about the church's position on this. Elder Cook basically said "The church has been about as clear as they can be" when it comes to immigration. He reiterated that the church has not taken a position on what should be done with the borders or what the process should be to gain citizenship. Simply that these decisions effect a lot of people - discussion should be held with civility and decisions made keeping in mind the need to be caring and thoughtful of others.

    He also reiterated that the church has always taken the position that missionaries will teach the gospel to whoever wants to hear it wherever they may be. They may live in the area, be on vacation, and may be documented or not.

    The Ogden mission president told a story of getting a call from a concerned citizen that the missionaries were about to baptize someone who was in the country illegally. His response to them was that the two missionaries who were going to baptize the family were also here illegally, so it was OK. He went on to tell them that if the prophet saw fit to call them to serve as missionaries, that was good enough for him.

    On Prop 8: A man stood up and asked what the church's next move would be on Prop 8 in light of the dominant role that they took in the initial ballot initiative.

    Elder Cook's first response is that he felt that characterizing the church's role in the ballot initiative as "dominant" was open for debate. He stated that other religions in the area worked to have it put on the ballot. Catholic Bishop Neiderhauer (currently in San Francisco, who was in SLC prior to that) wrote a letter to President Monson asking that the LDS church participate in support of the ballot initiative.

    After some discussion, the First Presidency sent a letter in support of Prop 8, and the members responded. He didn't outright say this, but I got the impression that some of the members (and local leaders) responded just a little more strongly than what had been anticipated. I also got the impression that there may have been some disappointment in how the thing snowballed after that.

    While I got the impression this was not a fight the LDS church was going to pursue, Elder Cook went on to say that the doctrine is very clear. Families are important. Marriage is between a man and a woman, etc. He followed that up with saying that those who live the gospel - regardless of their inclinations one way or another - will recieve all of the blessings of the gospel.

    Anyway - I found this stuff interesting and figured some of you might as well.

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    There were no questions about BYU going independent?!?
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    • #3
      That sounds like good news on the Prop 8 front. I think the world and gay community would be pretty quick to forgive if the church were to simply get out of the way.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ted Nugent View Post
        There were no questions about BYU going independent?!?
        I wish I'd thought to ask. But unfortunately, no.

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        • #5
          LOL @ "open for debate"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
            That sounds like good news on the Prop 8 front. I think the world and gay community would be pretty quick to forgive if the church were to simply get out of the way.
            The world community? lol.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Eddie View Post
              After some discussion, the First Presidency sent a letter in support of Prop 8, and the members responded. He didn't outright say this, but I got the impression that some of the members (and local leaders) responded just a little more strongly than what had been anticipated. I also got the impression that there may have been some disappointment in how the thing snowballed after that.
              I agree with your assesment. I think you have an issue where something that could be interpreted as a directive from the Prophet was taken a lot more serious than was intended because it affirmed the political opinions of the majority. Then once folks invested so much time, blood, sweat and tears they were too entrenched and the de facto "either by my voice or his it is the same" took over.

              When the dust settles it speaks more about the political homogenaity of the LDS people living in the Western US and the love of being right..."Look dammit you dirty hippies, the Prophet of God agrees with us!"

              As for me and my house, I just want the protestors off my TV. If letting gays marry each other accomplishes that end, so be it. The real sin is gay sex and what is a better antidote for sex than marriage?
              Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
              -General George S. Patton

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                The world community? lol.
                Robin is ready to speak for them all. He went to Burning man, you know!
                Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                -General George S. Patton

                I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                -DOCTOR Wuap

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                  The world community? lol.
                  Allow me to help Robin out (he pays me for grammatical advice, so I feel obliged to clarify on his behalf). You're interpreting his sentence as if he said "the world and gay communities," when what Robin really meant to say was "the world and the gay community." It was a poorly-worded sentence on his part. Forgive him.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Eddie View Post
                    After some discussion, the First Presidency sent a letter in support of Prop 8, and the members responded. He didn't outright say this, but I got the impression that some of the members (and local leaders) responded just a little more strongly than what had been anticipated. I also got the impression that there may have been some disappointment in how the thing snowballed after that.
                    This might be the greatest mischaracterization of what actually happened that I have read.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SteelBlue View Post
                      This might be the greatest mischaracterization of what actually happened that I have read.
                      i agree. saying the members just ran with it is ridiculous. ridiculous, i say!

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                      • #12
                        Maybe Elder Cook didn't get the Gettysburg memo.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SteelBlue View Post
                          This might be the greatest mischaracterization of what actually happened that I have read.
                          Careful, or you'll wind up sounding like Top Ute telling everyone how the whole BYU independence situation has gone down.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                            Maybe Elder Cook didn't get the Gettysburg memo.
                            clearly not. most likely it has been shredded by now in some dark room in the basement of the church office building.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DU Ute View Post
                              Careful, or you'll wind up sounding like Top Ute telling everyone how the whole BYU independence situation has gone down.
                              Turns out you didn't have to be much of an insider to know where the instructions were coming from on this one.

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