The Heartland Model of BOM Geography

[Sleeping in EQ]

The circus is in full swing:

http://www.sltrib.com/lds/ci_14750506

[pellegrino]

"The word is out now. There is a movement going through the church."

[Solon]

The circus is in full swing:

http://www.sltrib.com/lds/ci_14750506

Wow.

It's been apparent to me for awhile that the promises to Nephi in 1 Ne. 13 about the promised land being a land of prosperity and liberty don't really apply to Meso- or South America. At least, not in a "limited geography" sense.

I recently read this book about Cahokia. Nothing to do with BoM timelines but a fascinating look at pre-European North America

http://us.penguingroup.com/nf/Book/B...020904,00.html

creekster, feel free to mock my continuing obsession with mound-people.

[Viking]

I've always thought the BOM read like a text referring to the land of Smith not in central america. Did pre-Colombian US have horses? Shit.

I guess the white god may be what my bro thinks afterall:

[pellegrino]

Wow.

It's been apparent to me for awhile that the promises to Nephi in 1 Ne. 13 about the promised land being a land of prosperity and liberty don't really apply to Meso- or South America. At least, not in a "limited geography" sense.

I recently read this book about Cahokia. Nothing to do with BoM timelines but a fascinating look at pre-European North America

http://us.penguingroup.com/nf/Book/B...020904,00.html

creekster, feel free to mock my continuing obsession with mound-people.

I laugh at these guys, not because I think they're theories are off, but because their BOM georgraphy is just as irrelevant to me as those proposing the limited geography/meso american model. If I had to pick a model, the Heartland one is more in line with what I think could work, but I'm deliberately ignorant in these matters.

It's unfortunate that any of these guys (Heartland or Meso American) are making money off of believing Mormons trying to increase their faith in their religion by going on pilgrimages to supposed BOM sites. It just has a creepy feel to it.

[Solon]

I laugh at these guys, not because I think they're theories are off, but because their BOM georgraphy is just as irrelevant to me as those proposing the limited geography/meso american model. If I had to pick a model, the Heartland one is more in line with what I think could work, but I'm deliberately ignorant in these matters.

It's unfortunate that any of these guys (Heartland or Meso American) are making money off of believing Mormons trying to increase their faith in their religion by going on pilgrimages to supposed BOM sites. It just has a creepy feel to it.

It's extremely creepy. My parents gave my wife and me a cruise to the Carribbean & Mexico several years ago. It was in conjunction with one of these BoM groups (although the Mormons were a tiny portion of the several hundred cruise passengers).

As we hiked through Lamanai, Belize, I overheard a lady tell her 10-year-old (or so) kid, "This is where Nephi lived."

[CardiacCoug]

It's unfortunate that any of these guys (Heartland or Meso American) are making money off of believing Mormons trying to increase their faith in their religion by going on pilgrimages to supposed BOM sites. It just has a creepy feel to it.

That's the part the bothers me, too.

[Viking]

I laugh at these guys, not because I think they're theories are off, but because their BOM georgraphy is just as irrelevant to me as those proposing the limited geography/meso american model. If I had to pick a model, the Heartland one is more in line with what I think could work, but I'm deliberately ignorant in these matters.

It's unfortunate that any of these guys (Heartland or Meso American) are making money off of believing Mormons trying to increase their faith in their religion by going on pilgrimages to supposed BOM sites. It just has a creepy feel to it.

Creepy feeling. That's how i feel whenever i hear "little tommy monson" stories which i think are likely totally made up.

[pellegrino]

Creepy feeling. That's how i feel whenever i hear "little tommy monson" stories which i think are likely totally made up.

That may be, but Tommy's not asking money to listen to those stories though.

[Viking]

That may be, but Tommy's not asking money to listen to those stories though.

Yep, just 10% of your pretax income

[pellegrino]

Yep, just 10% of your pretax income

Bad comparison. I don't have to pay that to listen to the stories.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Creepy feeling. That's how i feel whenever i hear "little tommy monson" stories which i think are likely totally made up.

I have no idea of the accuracy of the stories, but the folklorish "President Monson has a photographic memory" nonsense to explain them gives me a creepy feeling.

[Viking]

I just remember being young/teen and thinking: "gee, all of the others tell stories about other people but monson talks about little tommy monson/23-year old tom monson bishop-hero-to-the-widow all the time." i have a highly acute sense of BS and the man set it off from as early as i can remember

[Solon]

Yep, just 10% of your pretax income

C'mon, Viking. Show your entrepreneurial spirit. You're a successful businessman. You should be raking in the LDS market on Joseph Smith relics, Lamanite-Hebrew graffiti, and horse-bones from central Guatemala.

You could also get into the lucrative pilgrimage market in travel, accommodations, and, of course, souvenirs.

Steer clear of document-forgery, though. Those end badly.

[Viking]

C'mon, Viking. Show your entrepreneurial spirit. You're a successful businessman. You should be raking in the LDS market on Joseph Smith relics, Lamanite-Hebrew graffiti, and horse-bones from central Guatemala.

You could also get into the lucrative pilgrimage market in travel, accommodations, and, of course, souvenirs.

Steer clear of document-forgery, though. Those end badly.

It's funny you mention that. We have a serious snobbery in our genes not about money, but HOW you make it.

Believe me, I'm far from where I want to be but I sure as shit am not going to stoop to relic selling, nasty juice selling or any other form of skullduggery.

What i like about my biz is that i don't make money unless others do.