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Very true. This is a concept that many here in Utah have had trouble grasping."Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
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I hear you.Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
It is tough to say with any certainty. My guess is that the Church's stance mirrors that of the rest of conservative America. It continues to progress, albeit slowly.
If this twitter is accurate, it is a big deal, I think. A very big deal. I agree with JeffLebowski....my gut tells me that there are some members who enjoy these Prop 8 edicts because those members incorrectly feel that the edicts give them an excuse to flaunt their prejudice in the name of righteousness.
Perhaps this is a way for the Church to also tell its fringe radical element to calm down a bit (I wonder if someone at the COB read that blog calling for all gays to be killed and for women to divorce their apostate husband).
Oh, well. At any rate, it is good to know that as a Church, we may soon "officially" support equal access to jobs and housing for gays.
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Interesting. Do they care whether they're constituents are interested in following the prophet?Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostAin't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
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True, but the church probably has a large influence over them, no?Originally posted by Indy Coug View PostComment
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This is good news but it begs a question I'm sure has been discussed on this forum. Has the church ever been against equal rights to gays (besides allowing them to call their unions marriages)?Originally posted by scottie View Post
I honestly don't know the answer but it has always seemed to me that the church is for equal rights but it is the membership of the church that has interpreted that to mean they are against the gay community as a whole."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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Wow. I'm impressed. One giant step for mankind...to offer its support for proposed Salt Lake City ordinances extending protection to gays in the areas of employment and housing.Last edited by SeattleUte; 11-10-2009, 02:11 PM.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
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You know the church has been against civil unions for homosexual couples in the past right?Originally posted by Eddie Jones View PostDyslexics are teople poo...Comment
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My legislator friend told me that he has an article written by Elder Oaks that argues that any kind of special treatment for gays via legislation is a slippery slope leading to gay marriage and that we should fight gay rights at every step. He promised to send me a copy but I haven't seen it yet. I am skeptical.Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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I didn't know that, which is why I said "I honestly don't know the answer." I've always assumed they had been against them at one point, which is probably why the general membership tends to lean that way. But as far as the history of same-gender attraction and the church I'm a novice so I'm learning.Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
I've just never seen an official church position stating they are against civil unions, but like I said I'm a novice."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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Wasn't Sheri Dew the CEO or COB of Deseret Books?Originally posted by Non Sequitur View PostDo Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
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In the statman household Deseret Book is called Priestcraft-R-Us...Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View PostComment
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the church will support the protection of gays for housing and employment but not marriage? I find this very hypocritical. oh well, I'm not a very good mormon then
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I am glad that the Church is set to reach out to the gay community and not for a reach around to the gay community.
But seriously, this is a good step. Not good enough, but good.Comment
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