My apology to the bard

[TripletDaddy]

Bill,

I'm sorry on behalf of everyone that ever doubted that you wrote all of those plays. Chris Marlowe? Francis Bacon? seriously?

[YOhio]

That's a very clever take on Vikings thread, Triple Dad.

[Soccermom]

I thought I was gonna be reading an apology to Daniel Bard.

[pellegrino]

whenever I see the word bard, I think of this guy

http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Fflewddur_Fflam

that was the first time I ever encountered the word.

[Viking]

DDD is a hack.

[TripletDaddy]

that was the first time I ever encountered the word.

That honestly surprises me.

[pellegrino]

That honestly surprises me.

I started reading the Prydain series when I was in first grade, I remember having a conversation about the word with my mom. I liked Fflewdurr, Taran and the whole gang and so it stuck.

[SeattleUte]

I'm sorry, Will, but I wrote it better. Hubris, arrogance, heresy? Maybe. But Finderson agrees with me.

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showth...ghlight=Caesar

[YOhio]

I'm sorry, Will, but I wrote it better. Hubris, arrogance, heresy? Maybe. But Finderson agrees with me.

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showth...ghlight=Caesar

That's a funny thread. You used to be kind of a drama queen.

[Jeff Lebowski]

That's a funny thread. You used to be kind of a drama queen.

That's funny how SU claimed that the LDS church caused the breakup of CG.

[YOhio]

That's funny how SU claimed that the LDS church caused the breakup of CG.

Hey, at least he's willing to give the church the benefit of doubt when it comes to the collapse of Washington Mutual.

[TripletDaddy]

That's funny how SU claimed that the LDS church caused the breakup of CG.

Not surprised that SeattleUte was throwing a thinly-veiled jab at blacks and latinos for their part in CG's demise, as well.

[TripletDaddy]

ha. what a great thread. Lots of leftover CG testosterone spilling over into its pages. We even see a hint of estrogen from a very unlikely source, with JeffLebowski daring us to start a vote and kick him out of CUF leadership!

(Of course I immediately responded with the king of all SMACKDOWN, a lethal "oh, brother" )

[Jeff Lebowski]

ha. what a great thread. Lots of leftover CG testosterone spilling over into its pages. We even see a hint of estrogen from a very unlikely source, with JeffLebowski daring us to start a vote and kick him out of CUF leadership!

(Of course I immediately responded with the king of all SMACKDOWN, a lethal "oh, brother" )

Puuuleaze.... I was trying to get some other sucker to step forward and take over. It didn't work.

[oxcoug]

Bill,

I'm sorry on behalf of everyone that ever doubted that you wrote all of those plays. Chris Marlowe? Francis Bacon? seriously?

Not knowing (or much caring) about all the angles and allusions of this post, I confine myself to Triple's allusion to one of my own threads, concerning Will Shakesper - the successful grain merchant, actor and businessman of Stratford - very likely the greatest literary fraud (if not the greatest fraud, full stop) of all time.

Triple, a rookie in this conversation, steps up to speak for:

leading lights of literature including Mark Twain

We are The Reasoning Race, and when we find a vague file of chipmunk tracks stringing through the dust of Stratford village, we know by our reasoning powers that Hercules has been along there. I feel that our fetish is safe for three centuries yet

Emerson

The Egyptian verdict of the Shakespeare Societies comes to mind, that he was a jovial actor and manager. I cannot marry this fact to his verse

Whitman

I am firm against Shaksper. I mean the Avon man, the actor

) and James

I am haunted by the conviction that the divine William is the most successful fraud ever practiced on a patient world

Notable scholars and legal minds including David McCullough

The strange, difficult, contradictory man who emerges as the real Shakespeare, Edward de Vere, the 17th Earl of Oxford, is not just plausible but fascinating and wholly believable. It is hard to imagine anyone who reads the book with an open mind ever seeing Shakespeare or his works in the same way again

, Justice Blackmun If I had to cast my vote [today], it would be for the Oxfordians, Freud (

I no longer believe that the actor from Stratford was the author of the works that have been ascribed to him

, Scalia, O'Connor and others.

Leading Shakespearian actors like John Gielgud and Derek Jacobi also reject the idea that Will Shakesper of Stratford - a man whose children were illiterate, who didn't leave a single scrap of written correspondence or a draft version of any plays, not one journal, not one book (but left tons of other stuff in his will), a man who never went outside the byways between London and Stratford but could apparently write in perfect courtly French, who had a small town grammar school education but impeccable command of 16th c. English law, who never left England but wrote with familiarity about cities in Italy and France, whose own hometown celebrated him with a memorial as a grain merchant - only to replace the sack of grain with a quill for writing some forty years after his death - cld have written the plays attributed to him.

These are just the ones who have taken the time to research the matter.

Will is Jonson's "Poor Poet Ape"

Poor Poet Ape, that would be thought our chief,
Whose works are e’en the frippery of wit,
From Brokage is become so bold a thief
As we, the robbed, leave rage and pity it.
At first he made low shifts, would pick and glean,
Buy the reversion of old plays, now grown
To a little wealth, and credit on the scene,
He takes up all, makes each man’s wit his own,
And told of this, he slights it. Tut, such crimes
The sluggish, gaping auditor devours;
He marks not whose ‘twas first, and aftertimes
May judge it to be his, as well as ours.
Fool! as if half-eyes will not know a fleece
From locks of wool, or shreds from the whole piece.

I just used up my time-wasting allowance for the day.