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  • #76
    Originally posted by pelagius View Post
    Maybe more generally but I don't think that's true for the WCC, at least. Virtually everyone team I saw this year ran defensive specialist and typically had maybe one player (like BYU's does) play back and front (besides the setter). I think that's pretty common for a 5-1 in the women's game. Grant you, Oregon runs a 6-2 (only remember one other 6-2 team this year) so if you want a back row attack you pretty much have to do it. But you're really putting pressure on your libero to cover lots of ground.
    Has BYU always run a 5-1? Where is the hole you're speaking of? I haven't been able to watch very many matches this year.

    Doesn't BYU have enough aggressive players to run a 6-2, or are you stating we have one great setter and our second setter is not of equal quality?
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Topper View Post
      Has BYU always run a 5-1?
      I don't know. In the Olmstead(s) era they have. The vast majority of teams run 5-1 at the collegiate level as far as I can tell.

      Originally posted by Topper View Post
      Where is the hole you're speaking of? I haven't been able to watch very many matches this year.
      I didn't think I was. K-dog was in earlier posts. He's referring to BYU's weakness at opposite: Taylon Ballard is injuried, Hamson hasn't developed enough, Haddock is undersized, etc.
      Last edited by pelagius; 12-03-2017, 08:32 PM.

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      • #78
        It’s pretty uncommon in NCAA women’s. Stanford men’s team ran a “true” 6-2 a few years ago (setter did not sub out in the front row). One of our WCC opponents ran a 6-2, I believe.

        If you have two equally talented setters, a 6-2 May make sense, but I dont think BYU has that luxury.
        Last edited by Green Monstah; 12-03-2017, 09:52 PM.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
          It’s pretty uncommon in NCAA women’s. Stanford men’s team ran a “true” 6-2 a few years ago (setter did not sub out in the front row). One of our WCC opponents ran a 6-2, I believe.

          If you have two equally talented setters, a 6-2 May make sense, but I dont think BYU has that luxury.
          UCLA men have run it the last couple of years: micah alba and sinjin smith's son run it for them

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          • #80
            Originally posted by pelagius View Post
            UCLA men have run it the last couple of years: micah alba and sinjin smith's son run it for them
            I think I'm thinking of UCLA and not Stanford.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
              It’s pretty uncommon in NCAA women’s. Stanford men’s team ran a “true” 6-2 a few years ago (setter did not sub out in the front row). One of our WCC opponents ran a 6-2, I believe.

              If you have two equally talented setters, a 6-2 May make sense, but I dont think BYU has that luxury.
              Correct me if I err, but doesn't the 6-2 offer more attacking possibilities?
              "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

              Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Topper View Post
                Correct me if I err, but doesn't the 6-2 offer more attacking possibilities?
                lol. Stop googling volleyball schemes so you can look informed. You’re not fooling anyone.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Topper View Post
                  Correct me if I err, but doesn't the 6-2 offer more attacking possibilities?
                  I see what you mean: if the setter is always back row, you always have 3 front row hitters.

                  It's all personnel dependent. There are pros, but there are cons too. In BYU's situation, I think the benefit of continuity of the setter, having the a more talented setter on the court, including Haddock's ability to block, dictates that the 5-1 is best. But, it's nice to have OH-MB-OPP when Lacy is backrow, no doubt.

                  There' also a tradeoff defensively (and the setter can never dump the ball).
                  Last edited by Green Monstah; 12-04-2017, 10:33 AM.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
                    I see what you mean: if the setter is always back row, you always have 3 front row hitters.

                    It's all personnel dependent. There are pros, but there are cons too. In BYU's situation, I think the benefit of continuity of the setter, having the a more talented setter on the court, including Haddock's ability to block dictates that the 5-1 is best.

                    There' also a tradeoff defensively (and the setter can never dump the ball).
                    Right, and those three front row attacker/blockers come with the tradeoff off on return of serve. You only have two dedicated back row players for return of serve. In the women's game, that means you have less ability to sub in defensive specialists.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                      Right, and those three front row attacker/blockers come with the tradeoff off on return of serve. You only have two dedicated back row players for return of serve. In the women's game, that means you have less ability to sub in defensive specialists.
                      If I am interpreting you correctly, a simple way of putting it is that a more offensive minded set can be a defensive liability.
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                      • #86
                        I am ecstatic that you guys have a positive outlet to channel your fandom.
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Topper View Post
                          If I am interpreting you correctly, a simple way of putting it is that a more offensive minded set can be a defensive liability.
                          Sure ... of course, this shows up in the 5-1 as well. The setter in the back represents the relatively strong offensive and blocking rotations and the setter in front represent the relatively weak ones. That's why BYU times Ronnie Jones-Perry's rotations they way they do. She is the one player on BYU who consistently plays back and front. She is mostly in front when the setter is in the back and mostly in the back when the setter is in the front. Since Perry is capable of attacks behind the 3M line it gives BYU another offensive option when the setter is in the front and she is in the back.
                          Last edited by pelagius; 12-04-2017, 12:31 PM.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
                            I am ecstatic that you guys have a positive outlet to channel your fandom.
                            Nobody invited you. Of course, if you wish to cheer on your favorite volleyball, you may join Wally as a cross-fan of BYU volleyball. We welcome one and all.
                            "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                            Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                              Sure ... of course, this shows up in the 5-1 as well. The setter in the back represents the relatively strong offensive and blocking rotations and the setter in front represent the relatively weak ones. That's why BYU times Ronnie Jones-Perry's rotations they way they do. She is the one player on BYU who consistently plays back and front. She is mostly in front when the setter is in the back and mostly in the back when the setter is in the front. Since Perry is capable of attacks behind the 3M line it gives BYU another offensive option when the setter is in the front and she is in the back.
                              Does BYU have somebody to emulate Mary Lake, or will Coach be looking for one this coming year? I realize she is a sophomore, but you can never have too many defensive specialists/liberos. Did Tristyn Moser play at all this year?
                              "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                              Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Topper View Post
                                Does BYU have somebody to emulate Mary Lake, or will Coach be looking for one this coming year? I realize she is a sophomore, but you can never have too many defensive specialists/liberos. Did Tristyn Moser play at all this year?
                                Tristyn Moser and Sydnie Martindale are the backup liberos and they both play on the back row. Moser played almost in every game on the back row. There were some games where she was pulled though. Olmstead has a relatively quick trigger with Moser. She will replace her with Stetler sometimes (Stetler played a lot in the back row last year too). That's what happened on Saturday, but then Stetler also replaced Haddock at opposite. So Stetler ended up playing all the rotations.
                                Last edited by pelagius; 12-04-2017, 02:07 PM.

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