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  • #46
    Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    I never play the back tees, mainly because I am not trying to impress anyone and I don't hit the ball far.
    Those seem like good reasons.
    Just try it once. One beer or one cigarette or one porno movie won't hurt. - Dallin H. Oaks

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    • #47
      We planned on golfing yesterday, but woke up to pouring rain. So I took the money I saved by not golfing and bought a new TaylorMade driver. Okay, I didn't save enough money to buy the driver, but that's how I justified it.
      Just try it once. One beer or one cigarette or one porno movie won't hurt. - Dallin H. Oaks

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      • #48
        I golfed Bear's Best on Saturday with a few friends. I got off to a rough start, going out in 47, but played the back nine even, for an 83. Couldn't hit a chip on the front nine, and didn't make a putt longer than 8 feet all day. It's frustrating to be striping the driver and sticking the irons, but then 3-putt so many times.

        All in all that was the best course i've played in Vegas. A challenging yet fun design--greens surrounded by bunkers (some of them really, really deep), water in play on 5-6 holes, lots of elevated greens and teeboxes, but very rewarding fairways (not like Valley View, in Layton, where you can hit a 280 yard drive in the middle of the fairway and find your lie significantly above or below your feet), and perfect, well-maintained greens.

        I forgot to take a pic until the next to last hole, so it's not the most scenic hole, but the backdrop is pretty spectacular (my camera phone doesn't do it justice).
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
          [COLOR="DarkOrchid"]I golfed Bear's Best on Saturday with a few friends.
          Is this course a mix of all the best holes Nicklaus has designed in the past?

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          • #50
            Rule question. Due to my rough start on Saturday, my cartmate (and fellow golf bettor) had a 6- stroke lead at the turn. However, he continued his pace of play, and with my good back nine, I was within a stroke when we teed off at 18. His tee shot landed on the beach next to the water (really just a fairway bunker that runs the entire side of the water) and rather than play it safe and chip into the fairway, he went for the green. He landed in the water, and dropped to hit again. But rather than drop in the hazard, he backed up further and dropped on the grass.

            I ended up bogeying the hole, and he doubled, meaning we both ended with an 83. However, I was under the impression that you could not improve your lie when dropping, and going from a bunker to the grass to drop is definitely an improved lie.

            What's the official rule? I have lunch riding on the outcome.
            Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

            There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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            • #51
              Originally posted by RC Vikings View Post
              Is this course a mix of all the best holes Nicklaus has designed in the past?
              That's the one.

              https://www.clubcorp.com/club/script...D=10751&APP=80
              Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

              There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                Rule question. Due to my rough start on Saturday, my cartmate (and fellow golf bettor) had a 6- stroke lead at the turn. However, he continued his pace of play, and with my good back nine, I was within a stroke when we teed off at 18. His tee shot landed on the beach next to the water (really just a fairway bunker that runs the entire side of the water) and rather than play it safe and chip into the fairway, he went for the green. He landed in the water, and dropped to hit again. But rather than drop in the hazard, he backed up further and dropped on the grass.

                I ended up bogeying the hole, and he doubled, meaning we both ended with an 83. However, I was under the impression that you could not improve your lie when dropping, and going from a bunker to the grass to drop is definitely an improved lie.

                What's the official rule? I have lunch riding on the outcome.
                26-2. Ball Played Within Water Hazard

                a. Ball Comes to Rest in Same or Another Water Hazard

                If a ball played from within a water hazard comes to rest in the same or another water hazard after the stroke, the player may:

                (i) proceed under Rule 26-1a. If, after dropping in the hazard, the player elects not to play the dropped ball, he may:

                (a) proceed under Rule 26-1b, or if applicable Rule 26-1c, adding the additional penalty of one stroke prescribed by the Rule and using as the reference point the point where the original ball last crossed the margin of this hazard before it came to rest in this hazard; or

                (b) add an additional penalty of one stroke and play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which
                the last stroke from outside a water hazard was made (see Rule 20-5); or

                (ii) proceed under Rule 26-1b, or if applicable Rule 26-1c; or

                (iii) under penalty of one stroke, play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which the last stroke from outside a water hazard was made (see Rule 20-5).

                b. Ball Lost or Unplayable Outside Hazard or Out of Bounds

                If a ball played from within a water hazard is lost or deemed unplayable outside the hazard or is out of bounds, the player may, after taking a penalty of one stroke under Rule 27-1 or 28a:

                (i) play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot in the hazard from which the original ball was last played (see Rule 20-5); or

                (ii) proceed under Rule 26-1b, or if applicable Rule 26-1c, adding the additional penalty of one stroke prescribed by the Rule and using as the reference point the point where the original ball last crossed the margin of the hazard before it came to rest in the hazard; or

                (iii) add an additional penalty of one stroke and play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which the last stroke from outside a water hazard was made (see Rule 20-5).

                Note 1: When proceeding under Rule 26-2b, the player is not required to drop a ball under Rule 27-1 or 28a. If he does drop a ball, he is not required to play it. He may alternatively proceed under Rule 26-2b(ii) or (iii).

                Note 2: If a ball played from within a water hazard is deemed unplayable outside the hazard, nothing in Rule 26-2b precludes the player from proceeding under Rule 28b or c.


                I believe the guy should have redropped in that hazard and by not doing so he should have a stroke penalty.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                  It's interesting that they use #2 at Old Works as one of the holes yet I think that is the weakest hole on the course.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by RC Vikings View Post
                    I believe the guy should have redropped in that hazard and by not doing so he should have a stroke penalty.
                    You mean an additional stoke penalty. i.e. a one stroke penalty for dropping in the hazard, or a two stroke penalty for dropping on the grass behind the hazard.

                    But is that the applicable rule? Is hitting from a bunker beside a water hazard the same as "playing a ball from within a water hazard?
                    Last edited by Donuthole; 05-05-2009, 09:53 AM.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                      You mean an additional stoke penalty. i.e. a one stroke penalty for dropping in the hazard, or a two stroke penalty for dropping on the grass behind the hazard.
                      Yes, he should have received an additional stroke penalty.

                      The rules of golf really aren't as complex as they sound. Basically, that particular rule is saying to play the ball where it lies, or drop and take a stroke. But the key here is where to drop. He has to drop as close as possible to the original position of the ball, including in the hazard. If he chooses to not drop in the hazard, he has to take an additional stroke.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                        Yes, he should have received an additional stroke penalty.

                        The rules of golf really aren't as complex as they sound. Basically, that particular rule is saying to play the ball where it lies, or drop and take a stroke. But the key here is where to drop. He has to drop as close as possible to the original position of the ball, including in the hazard. If he chooses to not drop in the hazard, he has to take an additional stroke.
                        But is that the applicable rule? Is hitting from a bunker beside a water hazard the same as "playing a ball from within a water hazard?
                        Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                        There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                          But is that the applicable rule? Is hitting from a bunker beside a water hazard the same as "playing a ball from within a water hazard?
                          No. The trap and water are two separate hazards.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                            No. The trap and water are two separate hazards.
                            Agreed. So since that rule cited by RC doesn't apply to this particular scenario, which rule states that dropping outside of the hazard to hit is a two stroke penalty?
                            Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                            There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                            • #59
                              I played Spanish Oaks on Friday, shot an 84. Had an eagle Putt on number 2 and four putted from about 10 feet (the greens are like an ice rink). Had another eagle putt on 18 (this time about 60 feet away) four putted again.

                              I wanted to shoot myself.
                              *Banned*

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                                Agreed. So since that rule cited by RC doesn't apply to this particular scenario, which rule states that dropping outside of the hazard to hit is a two stroke penalty?
                                Ok, I've re-read your post about what happened and I see what you're asking now and now question my thinking that it's an additional stroke penalty.

                                It would seem that he was ok dropping behind where he originally crossed the hazard.

                                I take back my comment that the rules really aren't that complex.
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