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Originally posted by Bo Diddley View PostSemantics.
What rule or law violation is rape considered an understandable or expected punishment?"The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."
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Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View PostHardly. Punishment is an understood penalty for violating a law or rule. Traffic tickets, misdemeanors, felonies, even the honor code have understood punishments if you are guilty of the offense.
What rule or law violation is rape considered an understandable or expected punishment?
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Originally posted by Bo Diddley View PostIn the context that I used it, I'm suggesting that a negative consequence is a proxy to any formal punishment that might otherwise be handed out for breaking the honor code.
You keep saying that we can't remove consequences from poor choices, to which I agree. However, I would like to have you explain what poor choices you consider have rape as an expected consequence.
Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk"The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."
"They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."
"I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."
-Rick Majerus
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I haven't considered any scenarios where rape should be an expected consequence. But certainly the example of the lady who took drugs left her vulnerable. Poor choices like that can open the door to such awful outcomes.Last edited by Bo Diddley; 04-14-2016, 06:26 AM.
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Originally posted by Bo Diddley View PostI haven't considered and scenarios where rape should be an expected consequence. But certainly the example of the lady who took drugs left her vulnerable. Put choices like that can open the door to such awful outcomes.
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Originally posted by Omaha 680 View PostI love byu. I hate the honor code less than the average poster here. But it's a good rule that if someone reports a sexual assault the HC office should stay the hell away and let the police handle it. Yes this may lead to a few more girls making false accusations to avoid HC trouble but it is clearly best to err on the side of compassion for alleged victims, both PR wise and just out of common decency."The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane
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Originally posted by Non Sequitur View PostI love BYU athletics, but I hate BYU. I would never let my kids attend BYU, and if I had to do over again, I would never go to BYU. Stuff like this just reinforces my feeling that BYU is a cruel joke. that said, Rise and Shout!"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by Maximus View Postof course there are things you can do to make yourself vulnerable. But the last thing the police should worry about is reporting a victim to the HCO when someone reports a rape.Last edited by Bo Diddley; 04-14-2016, 06:26 AM.
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Originally posted by Non Sequitur View PostI love BYU athletics, but I hate BYU. I would never let my kids attend BYU, and if I had to do over again, I would never go to BYU. Stuff like this just reinforces my feeling that BYU is a cruel joke. that said, Rise and Shout!
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Originally posted by Non Sequitur View PostI love BYU athletics, but I hate BYU. I would never let my kids attend BYU, and if I had to do over again, I would never go to BYU. Stuff like this just reinforces my feeling that BYU is a cruel joke. that said, Rise and Shout!
BYU is a great academic institution and kids are lucky to go there and so are their parents when you consider the value you get for the dollar.
That all being said, if one of my grandkids asked my opinion on accepting an athletic scholarship, I would dissuade them from going to BYU. The price you may pay for a slip up isn't worth it, IMHO.
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This is really just BYU's flavor of the problem of colleges trying to address sexual assault on college campuses. Trying to protect victims and afford due process to the accused has proven to be too difficult a task for colleges across the country. Better to simply refer the matter to law enforcement and let them handle it.
BYU's flavor of the problem is unique in that it asserts an interest in otherwise lawful conduct. But the solution's only a little different. If you don't want the University to have to delve into these issues and inevitably get it wrong from time to time, then leave it to the bishops. The honor code office should be reduced to approximately three people entering ecclesiastical endorsements into excel-- if not disbanded altogether.τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν
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Originally posted by All-American View PostThis is really just BYU's flavor of the problem of colleges trying to address sexual assault on college campuses. Trying to protect victims and afford due process to the accused has proven to be too difficult a task for colleges across the country. Better to simply refer the matter to law enforcement and let them handle it.
BYU's flavor of the problem is unique in that it asserts an interest in otherwise lawful conduct. But the solution's only a little different. If you don't want the University to have to delve into these issues and inevitably get it wrong from time to time, then leave it to the bishops. The honor code office should be reduced to approximately three people entering ecclesiastical endorsements into excel-- if not disbanded altogether.
I totally agree about Law Enforcement as well. My wife has a cousin how teaches at College of Charleston, and I remember a year or so ago she was going off about how the administration was trying to tell them they couldn't refer students to law enforcement, but rather to work internally first.Last edited by Jeff Lebowski; 04-14-2016, 10:31 AM.
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