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    So back in June, Utah bans high phosphate in dishwasher detergents. After suffering through a month or so of spotty dishes, the in laws get wind of the new law and start purchasing some extra powder that they throw into the dishwasher along with the regular detergent. Since that time, the dishes returned to their usual spot free condition.

    My questions:

    Did any of you in the phosphate states notice the change once the ban took effect? Apparently 15 or so states banned it and so detergent companies have begun to adjust accordingly.

    For those living in the 'Tah, what do you use to combat the spotty dishes? Is there a single detergent solution that works effectively, in lieu of buying the extra powder?
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    The only thing I know about this is what I learned on CB, so all I can tell you is that it is a major step on our inevitable path to living in a Commu-Facist state.

    I assume your in-laws will be sent to re-education camps soon, but other than that I don't think I can help you out.

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    • #3
      We noticed a signficant difference in how clean our dishes were getting and that we were getting a white film on them after washing. We were bothered because we replaced our dishwasher last year and thought that it was defective. My wife started googling, and she found out that it was a problem related to the phosphorous change. This was just before it became common knowledge on the news.

      We bought a product called lemi-shine. You fill the soap tray with this stuff and run the dishwasher through a cycle while empty. Then you use a little mixed with regular detergent each time you wash. We repeat the empty dishwasher cycle every couple weeks. It has helped a lot.
      "It's devastating, because we lost to a team that's not even in the Pac-12. To lose to Utah State is horrible." - John White IV

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      • #4
        I'm going to start a business bringing high phosphate detergents into the state. I think I'll start small and just sell to friends or people at church, but I hope to one day turn it into a successful MLM.
        Not that, sickos.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kccougar View Post
          We noticed a signficant difference in how clean our dishes were getting and that we were getting a white film on them after washing. We were bothered because we replaced our dishwasher last year and thought that it was defective. My wife started googling, and she found out that it was a problem related to the phosphorous change. This was just before it became common knowledge on the news.

          We bought a product called lemi-shine. You fill the soap tray with this stuff and run the dishwasher through a cycle while empty. Then you use a little mixed with regular detergent each time you wash. We repeat the empty dishwasher cycle every couple weeks. It has helped a lot.
          This is the exact series of events that my 'laws described...a white filmy coating on all the glasses. They currently use some sort of magic powder, as well....might even be the same brand. I am wondering if there is an all-in-one solution so we dont have to keep buying the extra powder.
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          • #6
            I was unaware of the ban. I have some Cascade Liquid that I bought at Costco a couple months ago. Do the manufacturers have two lines of detergent and did I unknowingly by the low phosphate stuff?

            Does Nevada have the same ban? I'm down in Vegas at least twice a month, so I'll have to load up at Costco.
            Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
              So back in June, Utah bans high phosphate in dishwasher detergents. After suffering through a month or so of spotty dishes, the in laws get wind of the new law and start purchasing some extra powder that they throw into the dishwasher along with the regular detergent. Since that time, the dishes returned to their usual spot free condition.

              My questions:

              Did any of you in the phosphate states notice the change once the ban took effect? Apparently 15 or so states banned it and so detergent companies have begun to adjust accordingly.

              For those living in the 'Tah, what do you use to combat the spotty dishes? Is there a single detergent solution that works effectively, in lieu of buying the extra powder?


              BAMMMM!!! How do you like me now? UteStar to the rescue and you mocked me. Only those that do not understand my ways, mock my ways!
              http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showthread.php?t=32815

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                I was unaware of the ban. I have some Cascade Liquid that I bought at Costco a couple months ago. Do the manufacturers have two lines of detergent and did I unknowingly by the low phosphate stuff?

                Does Nevada have the same ban? I'm down in Vegas at least twice a month, so I'll have to load up at Costco.
                As far as I can tell, Nevada has not banned phosphorus in dish detergents. That being said, my dishes are still covered with white spots and my dish washer is too.
                Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by UteStar View Post
                  BAMMMM!!! How do you like me now? UteStar to the rescue and you mocked me. Only those that do not understand my ways, mock my ways!
                  http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showthread.php?t=32815
                  I already know the difference between hard and soft water.

                  I'm asking about phosphates in dishwasher detergent. Pay attention!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                    I was unaware of the ban. I have some Cascade Liquid that I bought at Costco a couple months ago. Do the manufacturers have two lines of detergent and did I unknowingly by the low phosphate stuff?

                    Does Nevada have the same ban? I'm down in Vegas at least twice a month, so I'll have to load up at Costco.
                    Here is a July article from appliance.net (great web portal for all appliance-related news)

                    http://www.appliance.net/2010/states...sher-soap-1988

                    States instituting the rule include Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin, reports the Associated Press.
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                    • #11
                      I have a water softener so maybe that's why I haven't noticed a huge change. I have noticed that things perhaps aren't as clean as they used to be, so I'm scrubbing the dishes more before they go into the dishwasher.
                      Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                      • #12
                        More nanny state crap. I'd like to know if there is a filter I can buy that will put the phosphate back into the detergent.
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                        • #13
                          My wife bought two enormous Cascade jugs at Costco back in October and we're half way through one of them. The jugs look the same as any other jug of Cascade. I loaded the dishwasher on Saturday and I looked at the jug and in very tiny print it says "phosphate free."

                          Where does one get the phosphate powder?

                          After I'm done with these two jugs, I'll be buying some contraband dishwater detergent down at Las Vegas Costco when I'm down there at some point.
                          Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                            My wife bought two enormous Cascade jugs at Costco back in October and we're half way through one of them. The jugs look the same as any other jug of Cascade. I loaded the dishwasher on Saturday and I looked at the jug and in very tiny print it says "phosphate free."

                            Where does one get the phosphate powder?

                            After I'm done with these two jugs, I'll be buying some contraband dishwater detergent down at Las Vegas Costco when I'm down there at some point.
                            I havent seen your wife's jugs, but they sound a lot like my MILs (I've seen those).

                            How are your dishes? Do they get that filmy residue on them after each wash?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                              I havent seen your wife's jugs, but they sound a lot like my MILs (I've seen those).

                              How are your dishes? Do they get that filmy residue on them after each wash?
                              I've had some spotting and filmy residue that have resulted from using these jugs.
                              Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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