So Kobe is Scottie Pippen. Got it.
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Originally posted by Donuthole View PostNo. Neither is even in the top 5.
Which five do you definitively place above him?"What are you prepared to do?" - Jimmy Malone
"What choice?" - Abe Petrovsky
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Originally posted by Joe Public View PostI won't run down his resume here, but I give Wilt a place in the discussion. That's based on statistics and commentary from others; he was before my time.
Which five do you definitively place above him?Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock
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Originally posted by Donuthole View PostJordan, Kobe, LeBron, Russell and Kareem are the easy ones. I'd probably also place Magic, Bird and Shaq ahead of him, and potentially Duncan and Hakeem.
Kobe better than Wilt? LOL
The top three are Wilt, Lebron, and MJ.Will donate kidney for B12 membership.
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Originally posted by Joe Public View PostWilt Chamberlain doesn't belong in the discussion? Oscar Robertson doesn't belong in the discussion?As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
--Kendrick Lamar
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I feel like any time the Big O's name comes up this needs to get bumped:
"Little-known fact: NBA stats are completely screwed up from 1959 to '67. Teams were running and gunning at a breathtaking pace. For instance, the 1960 Celtics scored 124.5 points per game and averaged nearly 120 shots a game, but since the shooters weren't as good back then (the Celts only shot 41 percent that year, which also led the league), they also averaged a whopping 80.2 rebounds per game. To put that in perspective, Phoenix [this season] led the league with 111.9 points and 85 shots per game, but they only averaged 44.1 rebounds per game because everyone can make a jumper now and it's not run-and-gun.
Take Oscar's first five years compared with Magic's first five years. From 1961 to 1965, Oscar averaged 30.3 points, 10.4 assists and 10.6 rebounds ... but he was the 17th-best rebounder in the league over that time (in an eight-team league) and the third-best rebounder on his own team (behind Wayne Embry and Jerry Lucas). Magic averaged 18.2 points, 10.3 assists and 8.0 rebounds ... he was the 36th-best rebounder in the league over that stretch (in a 23-team league) and the second-best on his own team (behind that ninny Kareem). Oscar's team averaged 69 rebounds a game 1961-65; Magic's team averaged 45 a game.
Not to infringe on Hollinger's territory here ... but if you prorated Magic's stats to the run-and-gun 1961-65 era, they would look something like this: 21 points, 12 assists and 12 rebounds per game. Even if you transported the 1987-90 Fat Lever (18.9 points, 8.9 rebounds, 7.5 assists, 19th-ranked rebounder), he would have matched all of Oscar's numbers except for the scoring. But if you brought Oscar to the modern era? His rebounding per game would have dropped into the 7-8 range and the "Who was the only NBA player to average a triple-double?" trivia question wouldn't exist. It's true."So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.
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Originally posted by Donuthole View PostJordan, Kobe, LeBron, Russell and Kareem are the easy ones. I'd probably also place Magic, Bird and Shaq ahead of him, and potentially Duncan and Hakeem.
I don't think history will be kind to Kobe's legacy. When his stat sheet lines up against the others on this list nothing stands out. Kobe landed in the ideal situation: coach, teammates, location, etc. Switch Kobe's situation with Dominique Wilkins and the results may have been similar.
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