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  • #46
    Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
    I read this piece on Grantland last week when the following post from Bill Simmons appeared on my fb feed:


    It's a weird story which takes a really weird twist at the end. ESPN, Grantland, and Bill Simmons are now apologizing profusely for the article.
    I'm not terribly familiar with the transgendered community, but I really have a hard time seeing why the reporters disclosure to the investor was so bad. It was the truth and it was public information, as was her falsified credentials. I read a few of the criticisms and still haven't come around on it yet. I think it's too easy to say that her suicide was the result of potentially being "outed," when her status as a transgendered female seemed to be well-known in Gilbert. It may well have been that she was fearful of being exposed for having lied about her professional background.

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    • #47
      Random stuff worth reading on the internet thread

      Originally posted by YOhio View Post
      I'm not terribly familiar with the transgendered community, but I really have a hard time seeing why the reporters disclosure to the investor was so bad. It was the truth and it was public information, as was her falsified credentials. I read a few of the criticisms and still haven't come around on it yet. I think it's too easy to say that her suicide was the result of potentially being "outed," when her status as a transgendered female seemed to be well-known in Gilbert. It may well have been that she was fearful of being exposed for having lied about her professional background.
      Not only that, but, if Grantland is to be believed, there was never a threat made by Hannan to out her in the article. The first time that possibility came up was when she emailed him to threaten consequences if he outed her.

      Still, as I step back, I do wonder how much relevance her transgender status has to the story. On the one hand, the entire story is about obfuscation, so it seems like another piece of the puzzle. On the other hand, if Hannan had merely discovered that she was a closeted homosexual, that probably wouldn't have made it into the story, as her sexual orientation isn't relevant at all. And therein, i think, lies the outrage from the TG community--they want the same protections and respect which are currently being given to homosexuals.
      Last edited by Donuthole; 01-21-2014, 06:21 PM.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Donuthole View Post

        Still, as I step back, I do wonder how much relevance her transgender status has to the story. On the one hand, the entire story is about obfuscation, so it seems like another piece of the puzzle. On the other hand, if Hannan had merely discovered that she was a closeted homosexual, that probably wouldn't have made it into the story, as her sexual orientation isn't relevant at all. And therein, i think, lies the outrage from the TG community--they want the same protections and respect which is currently being given to homosexuals.
        Good point. Her transgender status plays a significant role in that that her name and gender changed, which allowed her to draw a bright line between her past and her fraudulent present. The reason Essay Anne Vanderbilt was able to fabricate so much was because her history was largely written as Stephen Krol.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
          Not only that, but, if Grantland is to be believed, there was never a threat made by Hannan to out her in the article. The first time that possibility came up was when she emailed him to threaten consequences if he outed her.

          Still, as I step back, I do wonder how much relevance her transgender status has to the story. On the one hand, the entire story is about obfuscation, so it seems like another piece of the puzzle. On the other hand, if Hannan had merely discovered that she was a closeted homosexual, that probably wouldn't have made it into the story, as her sexual orientation isn't relevant at all. And therein, i think, lies the outrage from the TG community--they want the same protections and respect which is currently being given to homosexuals.
          I read the story, and while I can't quite put my finger on it, something about it did not sit well. Since this putter is basically still unknown, I didn't think the background on Dr. V. deserved the the amount of emphasis it did. I think the story probably should have been delcined by Grantland's editors.
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          • #50
            I read the story. As a golfer I even remember Gary McCord making his comments on the air. The "story" had a tone about it that was off putting. It didn't draw me in, and as it progressed it became a bit too personal between subject and writer. Ultimately, I didn't feel it was worth my time to have read it, and I rarely, if ever, feel that way.
            Last edited by clackamascoug; 01-21-2014, 05:46 PM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
              I read the story. As a golfer I even remember Gary McCord making his comments on the air. The "story" had a tone about it that was off putting. It didn't draw me in, and as it progressed it became a bit too personal between subject and writer. Ultimately, I didn't feel it was worth my time to have read it, and I rarely, if ever, feel that way.
              It was quite a sub-par effort. I'm sure your memory of the story will quickly fade. Any way you slice it, the author seemed to be pushing an agenda when he teed off on Dr. V.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Lost Student View Post
                It was quite a sub-par effort. I'm sure your memory of the story will quickly fade. Any way you slice it, the author seemed to be pushing an agenda when he teed off on Dr. V.
                It was going to fade until you told me it would fade, and now its embedded even more...

                I counted four very poor golf analogies in your post. A snowman to be sure.

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                • #53
                  Pretty funny Ksl ad.

                  http://www.ksl.com/auto/listing/1156688?ad_cid=1

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                    Pretty funny Ksl ad.

                    http://www.ksl.com/auto/listing/1156688?ad_cid=1

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                    • #55
                      FDA approves pill camera to screen colon

                      A kinder, gentler approach to one of the most dreaded exams in medicine is on the way: U.S. regulators have cleared a bite-size camera to help screen patients who have trouble with colonoscopies.
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                      Woot

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                      • #56
                        I thought this was a pretty good read about Russell Brand and his heroine addiction.

                        http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2...-without-drugs

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                        • #57
                          Great article


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                          • #58
                            Here's a Q & A with Shaun White from Snowboarder Magazine. It's pretty revealing I thought. It gets into the dynamic of the snowboarding community and Shaun White's relationship with the tour and other snowboarders. If any of you saw the documentary about Kevin Pearce called Crash Reel this Q & A is really interesting.

                            http://www.snowboardermag.com/shaun-...nterview-2014/
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                            • #59
                              Apparently the world lost an artistic savant last year. This article provides a look into short the life of an amazingly talented person. The included video clip is also worth watching.
                              Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                              There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                                Apparently the world lost an artistic savant last year. This article provides a look into short the life of an amazingly talented person. The included video clip is also worth watching.
                                Wow. Watched the video. That will stay with me for a long time.

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