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  • Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
    Everything is age until you get to high school. It has been that way for as long as I can remember and I am old.
    See!? They've been screwing us for decades!
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    • Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
      Everything is age until you get to high school. It has been that way for as long as I can remember and I am old.
      http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us_yout...ation_mandate/

      This is when they split up my son's team that was previously based on school year. I think other Utah clubs were the same at the time, but I could be wrong.
      Last edited by jay santos; 10-11-2017, 04:57 PM.

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      • Lots of good thoughts.

        My observations as to the shortcomings of US Soccer.

        Development. The Club system is a money-maker but not good at identifying and developing the best players to end up on the national team. There has been a slow transition to the Academy teams tied to a MLS team and scholarships for poor kids.

        Style of Play dictated from the top down. In nations that have successful national campaigns the entire U-17, U-20 and U-23 teams adopt the philosophy and style of play so that the national coaches may encourage a style of play and player to be developed. Spain exemplified this for a while and Germany and France are. Brazil didn't need to dictate a philosophy but now notices other nations have surpassed them so that nation needs a system.

        In short, the Hodge-podge approach of the US doesn't work.

        How to fix:

        1. Beef up the Academy system and create many, many more scholarship for low income youth. The pipeline must be full. There is a mistaken belief we aren't getting enough good athletes. BS. We aren't identifying them and retaining them.

        2. Empower the national coaches to set the style and stick to it. Know our strengths and weaknesses. The US does not produce a lot of creative forwards and attacking mids. We produce historically good GKs, sometimes center backs and occasionally wings. We need to adopt a national style which caters to that. Is this a direct or indirect? Do we play from the back? I don't see us having the forwards necessary to use the direct approach, but maybe I'm wrong.

        3. We need to encourage and create opportunities for kids just to play. Play in the backyard and on the school grounds. Why does the US produce the most creative basketball players, because every kid is trying out some new move. I was in Brazil in '14 in Rio. Every person was playing with a soccer ball or futsal on beach. It is a cultural thing. In the Latin communities we see that, but not so much in the non-Latin communities. There need to be efforts to change that.

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        • Originally posted by jay santos View Post
          http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us_yout...ation_mandate/

          This is when they split up my son's team that was previously based on school year. I think other Utah clubs were the same at the time, but I could be wrong.
          Same thing happened to my daughter's team.
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          • Originally posted by BigPiney View Post
            Soccer has done that forever. Youth football around here is the same. Based on age not grade.
            Originally posted by falafel View Post
            Been doing that since the 90s in Utah, probably longer.
            Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
            Everything is age until you get to high school. It has been that way for as long as I can remember and I am old.
            It was based on age, but they had the age calendar year match the same calendar as the school year (Oct-Sept). They changed the year to start at the calendar year at January (Jan-Dec). This change happened a couple of years ago and caused total havoc on comp teams. Old comp teams were essentially from the same grade, they now cross grades.
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            • Americans suck at soccer. That’s why we call it soccer and not football, like the rest of the world. We’ve always sucked. Always have and always will. Time to face the music and focus on other sports we dominate because other countries don’t care for them.


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              • Originally posted by snowcat View Post
                It was based on age, but they had the age calendar year match the same calendar as the school year (Oct-Sept). They changed the year to start at the calendar year at January (Jan-Dec). This change happened a couple of years ago and caused total havoc on comp teams. Old comp teams were essentially from the same grade, they now cross grades.
                They also made that change almost concurrent with the silly determination that U-10 and below couldn't head the ball. Lots of silly rules enacted by US Soccer.
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                • Originally posted by Topper View Post
                  They also made that change almost concurrent with the silly determination that U-10 and below couldn't head the ball. Lots of silly rules enacted by US Soccer.
                  In the current climate why would anyone want to take steps to protect players from repeated head trauma (and themselves from the risk of lawsuits) until science can more conclusively quantify the risks? So silly!
                  Last edited by Omaha 680; 10-11-2017, 08:02 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post
                    In the current climate why would anyone want to take steps to protect players from repeated head trauma (and themselves from the risk of lawsuits) until science can more conclusively quantify the risks? So silly!
                    American players are already behind skill of other nations and the head trauma literature is conflicted at best.
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                    • Football is not the only sport.
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                      • Originally posted by Tarik View Post
                        Football is not the only sport.
                        Some might consider that blasphemy.

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                        • Originally posted by Topper View Post
                          They also made that change almost concurrent with the silly determination that U-10 and below couldn't head the ball. Lots of silly rules enacted by US Soccer.
                          Uh, that's a good one actually.
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                          • Originally posted by falafel View Post
                            Uh, that's a good one actually.
                            Yeah, I don't mind that. But it's a bummer when you're a defender and accidentally head it out of instinct and the other team ends up with a PK.

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                            • Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                              Yeah, I don't mind that. But it's a bummer when you're a defender and accidentally head it out of instinct and the other team ends up with a PK.
                              well that should not happen, the correct restart is an IFK.

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                              • Originally posted by falafel View Post
                                Uh, that's a good one actually.
                                Yeah. Kids neck muscles aren't developed enough to safely head a soccer ball. There are some 10 year olds out there with pretty strong legs.

                                Im all for minimizing head injury risk. Watching my daughter in HS head the ball makes me cringe.
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