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Originally posted by All-American View PostYou typed a lot of words here, and so must have had some point. But I couldn't tell you what it is."Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied
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Originally posted by All-American View PostYou typed a lot of words here, and so must have had some point. But I couldn't tell you what it is."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postpast proliferation is not a good enough reason to encourage continued proliferation. i also support voluntary buybacks.
Without confiscation, there are so many weapons in circulation that it would be easy for bad people to obtain one. Research on the previous assault weapon ban demonstrated that it would take years for a simple ban to have any real effect. If anything, the threat of losing them encourages gun purchases and puts more into circulation. Again, we can't ignore what is happening, but these things seem to me to be obstacles that make simple bans/restrictions pretty much impotent. I do like the idea of a gun buyback.
Originally posted by old_gregg View Postsomething approaching strict liability for gun sellers is a good step. there are too many dealers, many of them are dumb. cops should have the authority to temporarily remove weapons from the possession of somebody with mental illness or that has made threats (short of a commitment proceeding).
Something has to be done, because we can't keep piling up dead kids. Also, as someone who depends on a semi-automatic handgun for protection I don't want crazy people to cause my right to defend myself and my livestock to be taken away. I honestly don't see a realistic fix-all for any of this.sigpic
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October sky the Four Horsemen rode again"
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Originally posted by cowboy View PostBut isn't there a difference between "encourage" and "allow"? I don't think allowing people to own weapons is necessarily encouraging them. I'm looking at this from a math perspective. Since 1998, there have been over 250 million background checks for firearms, which puts the total in circulation well above the 300 million number often thrown around. Say 10% of those are semi-automatic weapons, and you still have 25 million automatic weapons, and three to ten times that many magazines. The NRA membership alone nearly doubles the existing federal, state, and local law enforcement, so a government confiscation effort would be outgunned and out-manned. In any case, We know from the Bundy fiasco that there are clearly enough crazy people to arm themselves and fight confiscation, so it would at the very least be a bloodbath. For these reasons, I don't see confiscation as a reasonable option.
Without confiscation, there are so many weapons in circulation that it would be easy for bad people to obtain one. Research on the previous assault weapon ban demonstrated that it would take years for a simple ban to have any real effect. If anything, the threat of losing them encourages gun purchases and puts more into circulation. Again, we can't ignore what is happening, but these things seem to me to be obstacles that make simple bans/restrictions pretty much impotent. I do like the idea of a gun buyback.
I don't know what the answer is. Some kind of grandfathering with a buyback program?"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostIt would definitely take a long time. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.
I don't know what the answer is. Some kind of grandfathering with a buyback program?
Gun buybacks popular but ineffective, experts say
The rifles, pistols and shotguns always look impressive when they're displayed at news conferences celebrating the end of gun buyback campaigns.
Spread across tables or piled high into overflowing stacks, all those weapons reinforce the notion that trading cash for guns works. It gets guns off the street, organizers say, and makes the city safer.
The problem, according to years of research, is that it does neither.
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The FBI/CIA/ATF/NSA/DHS needs to kick in doors and take the guns. That would get the job done in short order. It's time to give your guns to Hitler."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by Uncle Ted View PostBuybacks are great for getting all those old, worthless guns off the street... You know, the really dangerous ones.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ctive/1829165/
The FBI/CIA/ATF/NSA/DHS needs to kick in doors and take the guns. That would get the job done in short order. It's time to give your guns to Hitler."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Posti mean this in the nicest way possible, but you are fucking loony tunes and should seek prolonged mental health assistance from the most accomplished specialists available. your idiot reptile brain should should be studied by scientists to determine where evolution went wrong such that you're having fantasies that combine patrick swayze and lavoy finicum.
You have done this with me and others, but you regularly insert words and thoughts into my mouth and mind, respectively, that I have not said (written) or thought. I say it's foolish and disconnected from history to say that bad things could NEVER happen here and you run with that to think I have fantasies about bad things happening here.
I have seen you go bonkers at people on this board multiple times and you regularly insult anyone who disagrees with you. You have never met me and you don't know me. You have posted on this board over 13,000 times. Check yourself and get a life, man.
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Originally posted by Crockett View PostYeah, I am the mental one here.
You have done this with me and others, but you regularly insert words and thoughts into my mouth and mind, respectively, that I have not said (written) or thought. I say it's foolish and disconnected from history to say that bad things could NEVER happen here and you run with that to think I have fantasies about bad things happening here.
I have seen you go bonkers at people on this board multiple times and you regularly insult anyone who disagrees with you. You have never met me and you don't know me. You have posted on this board over 13,000 times. Check yourself and get a life, man.
He also likes to get creative with his insults. Just laugh it off and keep posting."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostThose are small-scale limited programs. Of course they don't work.
"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostIt would definitely take a long time. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.
I don't know what the answer is. Some kind of grandfathering with a buyback program?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/b...ult-style-guns"Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied
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Originally posted by wuapinmon View PostI think the game is attrition, just like with machine guns. In 1934, they were easy to get. Now, they are not. We stop the supply now, they will wear out. They will be used improperly and seized. They will be turned in in voluntary buy backs. But, we must required that every semi-automatic gun be registered, just like all machine guns. Your unrestricteds, on my Class Proposal, no registration, but every other kind must be registered. Anything else is contraband if not, and cannot be grandfathered in. But, we grandfather in the current guns, but make the transfer fees very high to discourage people buying more. In 80 years or so, our descendants will be glad that we took action, just like we're all glad now that kids can't go into a Dick's a buy a Thompson.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/b...ult-style-guns"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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