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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postright. but from an objective standpoint the standard you and creekster are advancing is: “they act by revelation except when they don’t, even if they’re saying they do sometimes.” prophets are purportedly specifically called and given a specific set of tools and keys to act as the sponsor of of god to men with respect to the church writ large. but, your version of revelation is also accurate with respect to pope francis, plato and robert plant: smart but fallible people who sometimes say good things. what’s the difference other than the toyota avalons and mr mac suits?"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by creekster View PostThat question and its answer has little bearing on this specific discussion.
If no, Bishop is possibly but not necessarily an example to support it.
If yes, Bishop is a meaningless example outside of infallibility.Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostI certainly wouldn't spin it like that. You (and others) seem to be arguing that if they are not perfect, there are not exceptional. I disagree.Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
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Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View PostDo our leaders ever act under revelation anymore?"The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."
"They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."
"I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."
-Rick Majerus
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postright. but from an objective standpoint the standard you and creekster are advancing is: “they act by revelation except when they don’t, even if they’re saying they do sometimes.” prophets are purportedly specifically called and given a specific set of tools and keys to act as the sponsor of of god to men with respect to the church writ large. but, your version of revelation is also accurate with respect to pope francis, plato and robert plant: smart but fallible people who sometimes say good things. what’s the difference other than the toyota avalons and mr mac suits?
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postright. but from an objective standpoint the standard you and creekster are advancing is: “they act by revelation except when they don’t, even if they’re saying they do sometimes.” prophets are purportedly specifically called and given a specific set of tools and keys to act as the sponsor of of god to men with respect to the church writ large. but, your version of revelation is also accurate with respect to pope francis, plato and robert plant: smart but fallible people who sometimes say good things. what’s the difference other than the toyota avalons and mr mac suits?PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postbut the church’s claim is not that they are exceptional or even the best men or that they’re trying really hard. it is that they are uniquely called and qualified prophets, seers and revelators with the authority and specific, technical keys to act on behalf of and speak for god."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostYes. It is entirely rational to make that claim yet acknowledge that they are not perfect. I am puzzled why this is such a stumbling block.Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postthe question is central to the discussion, knucklehead. what is the point of having a called and set apart mouthpiece of god on earth if we’re all playing a guessing game about the fidelity of that persons stagements and actions vis a vis god? how is that different from any other smart person?PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postbut the church’s claim is not that they are exceptional or even the best men or that they’re trying really hard. it is that they are uniquely called and qualified prophets, seers and revelators with the authority and specific, technical keys to act on behalf of and speak for god.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostI agree. However, I find it weird that you would call the spirit of discernment a special superpower. Do we as a church no longer believe in spiritual gifts?
1) hindsight
2) before Church dances
3) while serving missions
4) when asked in group meetings in front of other ward members
Originally posted by Moliere View PostCrap like Bishop is why I’m a Mormon deist. It’s how I’ve preserved my faith.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/9662/9662-h/9662-h.htm"Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postit has nothing to do with perfection. at all. do prophets receive more/different revelation than you or i?PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostEDIT: And by the way, you are guilty of the Appeal to Orthomo fallacy."...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUte
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