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  • #76
    Funny how its the people who actually write software for a living that are the skeptics on autonomous driving.
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    • #77
      I write software for a living. I'm not a skeptic. While I'm excited for autonomous vehicles, I don't think the transition will be completely smooth and is more likely decades away and not years. Once the transition starts though, it will be swift.

      The technology I don't like is electronic voting machines. Those were a terrible idea.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        Funny how its the people who actually write software for a living that are the skeptics on autonomous driving.
        I do software/hardware for a living... I welcome my new autonomous driving overlords! In fact, the next time I am in Boston I'm planing to take a ride: https://www.aol.com/article/finance/...ston/23300423/

        I can't wait for the day when I can say, "Siri, take me to Austin." and I can climb into the backseat and go to sleep.

        Originally posted by beefytee View Post
        I write software for a living. I'm not a skeptic. While I'm excited for autonomous vehicles, I don't think the transition will be completely smooth and is more likely decades away and not years. Once the transition starts though, it will be swift.

        The technology I don't like is electronic voting machines. Those were a terrible idea.
        The security on most electronic voting machines is pretty bad... only thing worse is the idea of Internet voting.
        "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
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        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
          I do software/hardware for a living... I welcome my new autonomous driving overlords! In fact, the next time I am in Boston I'm planing to take a ride: https://www.aol.com/article/finance/...ston/23300423/

          I can't wait for the day when I can say, "Siri, take me to Austin." and I can climb into the backseat and go to sleep.
          Oh brother.

          The autonomous vehicles have human backup drivers ready to take the wheel if any problems arise.
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            Oh brother.
            Those human backup drivers are for skeptics like Walter... someone has to hold their hand.
            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              Oh brother.
              Not Level 5 autonomous: https://www.sae.org/misc/pdfs/automated_driving.pdf

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              • #82
                Had a chance to spend some time last week with a guy who does transportation research for a living. Very well-respected guy with a ton of experience and publications. One of his specialty areas right now autonomous vehicles and how they would impact road usage, traffic, etc. Fascinating stuff.

                I told him I was skeptical about how quickly we would overcome the software and safety hurdles associated fully autonomous driving as it is frequently portrayed in the media and by many prognosticators. He smiled and said, "Oh, we are 40-50 years away in my opinion."
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  Had a chance to spend some time last week with a guy who does transportation research for a living. Very well-respected guy with a ton of experience and publications. One of his specialty areas right now autonomous vehicles and how they would impact road usage, traffic, etc. Fascinating stuff.

                  I told him I was skeptical about how quickly we would overcome the software and safety hurdles associated fully autonomous driving as it is frequently portrayed in the media and by many prognosticators. He smiled and said, "Oh, we are 40-50 years away in my opinion."
                  That's a good guess. I assume he means full integration of autonomous vehicles into the transportation system, and likely more than 50 percent usage. Did he talk about the stages of adoption and how that will unfold?
                  Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    Had a chance to spend some time last week with a guy who does transportation research for a living. Very well-respected guy with a ton of experience and publications. One of his specialty areas right now autonomous vehicles and how they would impact road usage, traffic, etc. Fascinating stuff.

                    I told him I was skeptical about how quickly we would overcome the software and safety hurdles associated fully autonomous driving as it is frequently portrayed in the media and by many prognosticators. He smiled and said, "Oh, we are 40-50 years away in my opinion."
                    Yes! Looks like I can keep my job. I'll just warn my kids not to follow in my footsteps.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                      Had a chance to spend some time last week with a guy who does transportation research for a living. Very well-respected guy with a ton of experience and publications. One of his specialty areas right now autonomous vehicles and how they would impact road usage, traffic, etc. Fascinating stuff.

                      I told him I was skeptical about how quickly we would overcome the software and safety hurdles associated fully autonomous driving as it is frequently portrayed in the media and by many prognosticators. He smiled and said, "Oh, we are 40-50 years away in my opinion."
                      40 to 50 years away from it actually happening, or 40 to 50 years away from the technology advancing to the point where it is superior (i.e., whatever combination of safer, faster, less expensive, etc.) to human driving?

                      Either way, he may be right and I hope he's wrong. 50 years is a long time-- only 66 years elapsed from Kitty Hawk to Tranquility Base.
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                      • #86
                        First fatality of a vehicle in autonomous mode where supposedly it was the algorithms fault:

                        https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/1...-tempe-arizona

                        There was a person behind the wheel too. Not sure the point of her being there if she isn't stopping accidents.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by beefytee View Post
                          First fatality of a vehicle in autonomous mode where supposedly it was the algorithms fault:

                          https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/1...-tempe-arizona

                          There was a person behind the wheel too. Not sure the point of her being there if she isn't stopping accidents.
                          Probably farting around on her cell phone.
                          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by beefytee View Post
                            First fatality of a vehicle in autonomous mode where supposedly it was the algorithms fault:

                            https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/1...-tempe-arizona

                            There was a person behind the wheel too. Not sure the point of her being there if she isn't stopping accidents.
                            “Our hearts go out to the victim’s family,” an Uber spokesperson told The Verge.
                            Uber sending only thoughts, no prayers.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by beefytee View Post
                              First fatality of a vehicle in autonomous mode where supposedly it was the algorithms fault:

                              https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/1...-tempe-arizona

                              There was a person behind the wheel too. Not sure the point of her being there if she isn't stopping accidents.
                              We were just in Tempe on Saturday, and saw two of those Uber self-driving cars just ahead of us on Scottsdale Road, just north of Curry Road.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
                                Uber sending only thoughts, no prayers.
                                Uber carries a prayer in its heart, so both bases are covered.
                                Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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                                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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