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    Despite using it as a nice applause line at the UN, President Obama has very little hope of closing Guantanamo by his self-imposed one-year deadline.

    As usual, The Washington Post provides a very good look at how we got to where we are today.

    White House Regroups on Guantanamo

    Things I noted:
    • There are still over 200 detainees with plans to continue to indefinitely hold 50-60 of them somewhere. That means they need to find homes for 150 of these guys. Where are they going to send them, and equally importantly, when?
    • Congress has voted several times to specifically prevent the administration from using funds to relocate any of the detainees to the U.S. I don't think public sentiment has changed at all on this. If Guantanamo is closed, where will these detainees go?
    • Larry Craig, the architect of the "close Guantanamo within one year" plan, has been removed from overseeing the process and is now being considiered "for a seat on the bench or a diplomatic position." He's been replaced by Pete Rouse, a "problem solver" with little national security experience or expertise.
    • The release of those four Uighurs to Bermuda was far from smooth. Not a good precedent to set when dealing with our friends.

    Frankly, given the obstacles, barring some significant and unexpected domestic or international development, I don't see how this gets done even within the next year, or years beyond.
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    It seems Obama is learning that in politics, making promises is easier than keeping promises, especially when he didn't have a plan on how he would keep that promise.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
      It seems Obama is learning that in politics, making promises is easier than keeping promises, especially when he didn't have a plan on how he would keep that promise.
      I think he knew all along that he was lying. But it was expedient for him to be elected. The ends justified the means.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
        It seems Obama is learning that in politics, making promises is easier than keeping promises, especially when he didn't have a plan on how he would keep that promise.
        I think in election politics, the non-incumbent is full of ideas, but when you get ALL of the intelligence, you see, like Eve, that this must be.
        "Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied

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        • #5
          Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
          I think in election politics, the non-incumbent is full of ideas, but when you get ALL of the intelligence, you see, like Eve, that this must be.
          Well put...

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          • #6
            Half of tonight's 60 Minutes was devoted to the story of Mohamedou Slahi, a prisoner for 14 years and the author of Guantanamo Diary about his experiences there. The guy came off as very smart and likeable. One of his guards said they loved him and want to visit him in Mauritania. Slahi holds no ill will against most of his guards, although he was subjected to some of the worst "enhanced interrogation" anyone received at Gitmo.

            But perhaps the best part of the story was how, a few years after his arrival at Gitmo, he gained everyone's trust and he was able to play card games and watch movies, countless numbers of movies, with the guards. Their favorite? The Big Lebowski, which he really liked because of its many great lines, including one he repeated frequently since it applied to him, "You got the wrong guy, man!"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
              Half of tonight's 60 Minutes was devoted to the story of Mohamedou Slahi, a prisoner for 14 years and the author of Guantanamo Diary about his experiences there. The guy came off as very smart and likeable. One of his guards said they loved him and want to visit him in Mauritania. Slahi holds no ill will against most of his guards, although he was subjected to some of the worst "enhanced interrogation" anyone received at Gitmo.

              But perhaps the best part of the story was how, a few years after his arrival at Gitmo, he gained everyone's trust and he was able to play card games and watch movies, countless numbers of movies, with the guards. Their favorite? The Big Lebowski, which he really liked because of its many great lines, including one he repeated frequently since it applied to him, "You got the wrong guy, man!"
              I wonder when a movie about his life will be produced. It sounds like one I would enjoy.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Topper View Post
                I wonder when a movie about his life will be produced. It sounds like one I would enjoy.
                He didn't speak English at the time he was captured in Mauritania, but he studied English while he was there and is now quite fluent. I'll probably buy his book.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                  He didn't speak English at the time he was captured in Mauritania, but he studied English while he was there and is now quite fluent. I'll probably buy his book.
                  You'd know better than I, but wouldn't financially supporting a terrorist be a felony?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                    Half of tonight's 60 Minutes was devoted to the story of Mohamedou Slahi, a prisoner for 14 years and the author of Guantanamo Diary about his experiences there. The guy came off as very smart and likeable. One of his guards said they loved him and want to visit him in Mauritania. Slahi holds no ill will against most of his guards, although he was subjected to some of the worst "enhanced interrogation" anyone received at Gitmo.

                    But perhaps the best part of the story was how, a few years after his arrival at Gitmo, he gained everyone's trust and he was able to play card games and watch movies, countless numbers of movies, with the guards. Their favorite? The Big Lebowski, which he really liked because of its many great lines, including one he repeated frequently since it applied to him, "You got the wrong guy, man!"
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Pelado View Post
                      You'd know better than I, but wouldn't financially supporting a terrorist be a felony?

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                      You got the wrong guy, Senor Pelado!
                      "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                      Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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