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    The only lingering question in this longest of offseason is whether or not Lohner plays next year. If Utah denies his LOI release and he has to sit a year perhaps BYU goes after another transfer, but if that is the case the transfer will have to sit as well. So the only material question is whether or not Lohner plays.

    If he does I think this is your rotation:

    Starters:

    1.) Averette
    2.) Barcello
    3.) Harding
    4.) Baxter
    5.) Haarms

    Off the bench you get:

    Spencer Johnson at the 2, Caleb Lohner at the 3 and 4, Wyatt Lowell at the 3 and 4, Harward at the 5. If Lohner is not eligible replace Lohner with Gideon George. You might get some minutes for Jessie Wade at the 1 if Pope becomes convinced Wade will be in his rotation the following year but for the most part when Averette is not on the court Barcello will play the 1. I hope BYU redshirts Kolby Lee while Ericson and Knell see mop up minutes.

    This is an interesting BYU team. I think it has legitimate actual depth but no real stars/go to players. I doubt anybody plays more than 28 mpg and I think the 9th guy will play 16 so a lot of guys will be in the rotation for significant amounts of time. I like BYU teams where the starters who served missions are outnumbered by the starters who did not. Things often go well those years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    The only lingering question in this longest of offseason is whether or not Lohner plays next year. If Utah denies his LOI release and he has to sit a year perhaps BYU goes after another transfer, but if that is the case the transfer will have to sit as well. So the only material question is whether or not Lohner plays.
    Pretty sure he has the release. Larry K said no and Harlan overruled him. That is the rumor anyway.
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    Interesting team. A lot better than what it looked like six months ago. It appears to be at least an average BYU team. #3 in WCC, #50 in the nation type team. It will be fun to see how these new guys do. I think Lohner will play the 4 and 5 at BYU. I think the 5 is his best position right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Interesting team. A lot better than what it looked like six months ago. It appears to be at least an average BYU team. #3 in WCC, #50 in the nation type team. It will be fun to see how these new guys do. I think Lohner will play the 4 and 5 at BYU. I think the 5 is his best position right now.
    I really cannot remember a year where I am more interested in the opening few games. All sorts of questions about who will actually play, what positions the kids will play, what their roles will be and who will step up.

    For instance many fans seem convinced that both Haarms and Harward will play significant minutes together with 7'3" Haarms as the 4. I just can't see that happening until I see it. I thought Lohner was a definite 3/4 combo but you tell me he will be a 5. "Who can you trust...who can you trust?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    I really cannot remember a year where I am more interested in the opening few games. All sorts of questions about who will actually play, what positions the kids will play, what their roles will be and who will step up.

    For instance many fans seem convinced that both Haarms and Harward will play significant minutes together with 7'3" Haarms as the 4. I just can't see that happening until I see it. I thought Lohner was a definite 3/4 combo but you tell me he will be a 5. "Who can you trust...who can you trust?"
    People said Childs was a 3 coming out of high school. I said he will be a 4 even sometimes a 5. You trusted me then, you can trust me now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    The only lingering question in this longest of offseason is whether or not Lohner plays next year. If Utah denies his LOI release and he has to sit a year perhaps BYU goes after another transfer, but if that is the case the transfer will have to sit as well. So the only material question is whether or not Lohner plays.

    If he does I think this is your rotation:

    Starters:

    1.) Averette
    2.) Barcello
    3.) Harding
    4.) Baxter
    5.) Haarms

    Off the bench you get:

    Spencer Johnson at the 2, Caleb Lohner at the 3 and 4, Wyatt Lowell at the 3 and 4, Harward at the 5. If Lohner is not eligible replace Lohner with Gideon George. You might get some minutes for Jessie Wade at the 1 if Pope becomes convinced Wade will be in his rotation the following year but for the most part when Averette is not on the court Barcello will play the 1. I hope BYU redshirts Kolby Lee while Ericson and Knell see mop up minutes.

    This is an interesting BYU team. I think it has legitimate actual depth but no real stars/go to players. I doubt anybody plays more than 28 mpg and I think the 9th guy will play 16 so a lot of guys will be in the rotation for significant amounts of time. I like BYU teams where the starters who served missions are outnumbered by the starters who did not. Things often go well those years.

    I really like Mark Pope as a coach.
    I like what Pope is up to as well.

    The only thing I'll disagree with you on is Gavin Baxter. I'm not sure he is a starter with Harward and Lowell being eligible. He's a phenomenal athlete, but not a well-rounded basketball player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    People said Childs was a 3 coming out of high school. I said he will be a 4 even sometimes a 5. You trusted me then, you can trust me now.
    no, no, no. childs was always a guy you'd throw it to in the post. those saying he would be a three had never seen him play or were very dumb. lohner is more of a big three/stretch 4. he'll play 3 and 4, never 5 - though he should be strong enough and big enough to defend 5s on switches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    no, no, no. childs was always a guy you'd throw it to in the post. those saying he would be a three had never seen him play or were very dumb. lohner is more of a big three/stretch 4. he'll play 3 and 4, never 5 - though he should be strong enough and big enough to defend 5s on switches.
    ha. i went back to check my comments on childs to see if i just called myself "very dumb". the answer is sort of. i said childs would play the 4, but could spend some time at 3 depending on matchups and/or to get the best five on the floor - that he was athletic enough to defend 3s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    I really cannot remember a year where I am more interested in the opening few games. All sorts of questions about who will actually play, what positions the kids will play, what their roles will be and who will step up.

    For instance many fans seem convinced that both Haarms and Harward will play significant minutes together with 7'3" Haarms as the 4. I just can't see that happening until I see it. I thought Lohner was a definite 3/4 combo but you tell me he will be a 5. "Who can you trust...who can you trust?"
    Absolutely. It should be fun to see how the roster develops, who steps up, and how they all fit together. There seem to be lots of quality pieces. Here's a shot in the dark:

    PG Averette (25) Barcelo (10) Wade (5)
    SG Barcelo (15) Harding (10) Johnson (10) Knell (5)
    SF Harding (15) Baxter (10) George (10) Lohner (5)
    PF Baxter (15) Lohner (15) Lowell (10)
    C Haarms (15) Harward (10) Lowell (10) Lee (5)

    I feel like I might be undervaluing Lowell and Harward with this allocation. If they go big more, I could see Harding's minutes coming at the SG spot at the expense of Johnson/Knell and maybe even Barcelo.

    The playing roster will probably be more compressed - probably won't have 10 different guys getting double-digit minutes.

    I'm probably higher on Knell than I have any reason to be.

    Averette 25
    Barcelo 25
    Harding 25
    Baxter 25
    Lowell 20
    Lohner 20
    Haarms 15
    Harward 10
    Johnson 10
    George 10
    Wade 5
    Knell 5
    Lee 5


    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    People said Childs was a 3 coming out of high school. I said he will be a 4 even sometimes a 5. You trusted me then, you can trust me now.
    How many minutes are you expecting Lohner to play per game? With his best position right now being the 5, how many minutes are you expecting him at the 5?
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    Lee gets no respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Lee gets no respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Lee gets no respect.
    Not disagreeing with you, but where would you propose more minutes come from for him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Robert E. or Kolby?
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Robert E. or Kolby?
    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Not disagreeing with you, but where would you propose more minutes come from for him?
    I don't know. You all seem seem better at this than me, but he gave us great minutes last year. I haven't seen Lowell or Harward play. I hope I end up not missing Lee's little dipsydoodle shot 3 feet from the basket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Robert E. or Kolby?
    Bravo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Absolutely. It should be fun to see how the roster develops, who steps up, and how they all fit together. There seem to be lots of quality pieces. Here's a shot in the dark:

    PG Averette (25) Barcelo (10) Wade (5)
    SG Barcelo (15) Harding (10) Johnson (10) Knell (5)
    SF Harding (15) Baxter (10) George (10) Lohner (5)
    PF Baxter (15) Lohner (15) Lowell (10)
    C Haarms (15) Harward (10) Lowell (10) Lee (5)

    I feel like I might be undervaluing Lowell and Harward with this allocation. If they go big more, I could see Harding's minutes coming at the SG spot at the expense of Johnson/Knell and maybe even Barcelo.

    The playing roster will probably be more compressed - probably won't have 10 different guys getting double-digit minutes.

    I'm probably higher on Knell than I have any reason to be.

    Averette 25
    Barcelo 25
    Harding 25
    Baxter 25
    Lowell 20
    Lohner 20
    Haarms 15
    Harward 10
    Johnson 10
    George 10
    Wade 5
    Knell 5
    Lee 5




    How many minutes are you expecting Lohner to play per game? With his best position right now being the 5, how many minutes are you expecting him at the 5?
    I think BYU goes 9 deep. With Lohner released from his Utah NLI I expect George won't play much. When I say 9 deep I mean when the game matters. So obviously Wade, George, Knell and Lee will get some minutes but I think barring injury and foul trouble (both of which will happen) BYU plays Averette, Barcello, Baxter, Harding, Haarms, Harward, Lowell, Lohner and Johnson.

    My breakdown:

    Averette and Barcello- 28 mpg each
    Haarms and Harding- 24 mpg each
    Baxter and Harward - 22 mpg
    Lowell -20 mpg
    Johnson and Lohner - 16 mpg
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