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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Wasn't Lincoln kind of a third-party candidate?
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    No.

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    Yeah, I know the story. But constitutionally, how would you limit things to two parties? Especially when we have history of a viable new party evolving?

    Also, I have no problem voting third party. In rare elections, it gives one a chance to participate in the voting process while still maintaining a measure of self-respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Yeah, I know the story. But constitutionally, how would you limit things to two parties? Especially when we have history of a viable new party evolving?

    Also, I have no problem voting third party. In rare elections, it gives one a chance to participate in the voting process while still maintaining a measure of self-respect.
    When was the last party that started and elected a national office? I guess the Green got a senator or rep in the 90s. I would not say that in the last 150 years new parties have been a part of our election process.

    I also see no problem voting 3rd party, I think it would be a huge benefit to us as a country and make it so we don’t have Trump/Biden, Trump/Clinton, Obama/McCain, Bush/Gore elections with neither option being worthwhile of consideration. But to say third parties are our history seems about as connected to what we call democracy now as polygamy to Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saintism.
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    The more parties the better. Parliamentary democracy all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    When was the last party that started and elected a national office? I guess the Green got a senator or rep in the 90s. I would not say that in the last 150 years new parties have been a part of our election process.

    I also see no problem voting 3rd party, I think it would be a huge benefit to us as a country and make it so we don’t have Trump/Biden, Trump/Clinton, Obama/McCain, Bush/Gore elections with neither option being worthwhile of consideration. But to say third parties are our history seems about as connected to what we call democracy now as polygamy to Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saintism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I would never vote for third party. We're a two party system and a third party candidate does nothing but throw the election to a minority candidate. We should change our election process to narrow the general election down to two candidates, imho.
    the electoral college basically already does that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Polygamy is making a comeback! #tigerking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    Third party vote is a waste.
    One vote out of thousands, or even millions depending on your state isn't going to decide the election. Then on top of that, most Americans live in a state where it's easy to guess who will get the electoral votes anyway. If the major party choices all make me want to vomit, then there is nothing wasted by voting for someone else. What would feel like a waste to me in that situation would be to vote for someone I can't stand.
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    If a really strong third party conservative entered the race, it would split Republican votes and throw the election to the Democrats. If a really strong third party Liberal entered the race, it would do the opposite and Trump would win in landslide. Would either of these events inform the two main parties what they need to do to become stronger? No. It would be just a random, unfortunate event for that party. It could happen any election. If we changed how we do elections and a have a run off for all parties to narrow it down to two and then have the final election, that would be a good way to incorporate multiple parties. I'm not educated on foreign politics, I guess this happens in some countries. But how we do things now, third party candidate is destructive to the process, imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    If a really strong third party conservative entered the race, it would split Republican votes and throw the election to the Democrats. If a really strong third party Liberal entered the race, it would do the opposite and Trump would win in landslide. Would either of these events inform the two main parties what they need to do to become stronger? No. It would be just a random, unfortunate event for that party. It could happen any election. If we changed how we do elections and a have a run off for all parties to narrow it down to two and then have the final election, that would be a good way to incorporate multiple parties. I'm not educated on foreign politics, I guess this happens in some countries. But how we do things now, third party candidate is destructive to the process, imho.
    The Constitution already provides for this. The runoff happens in the House of Reps if no one gets a majority of EC votes. But I'd be willing to listen to arguments for amending it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    The Constitution already provides for this. The runoff happens in the House of Reps if no one gets a majority of EC votes. But I'd be willing to listen to arguments for amending it.

    Seems like you're intentionally missing the point I'm making. But, this is like second to last on all the things I care about right now. So I won't belabor the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Seems like you're intentionally missing the point I'm making. But, this is like second to last on all the things I care about right now. So I won't belabor the point.
    For the record, I think philosophically that your idea has merit. It would just take amending out the EC which would seem to be politically impossible right now.

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    Sounds like you favor ranked choice voting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Seems like you're intentionally missing the point I'm making. But, this is like second to last on all the things I care about right now. So I won't belabor the point.
    Out of curiosity, what is the one thing you care about less?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Public View Post
    Out of curiosity, what is the one thing you care about less?
    My guess: shark week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    My guess: shark week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Public View Post
    Out of curiosity, what is the one thing you care about less?
    WNBA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Who is this year's mormon candidate that all of my internetUtahfriends will be voting for?
    I suspect Superdell is running for something.

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    1912, you had interesting shit go down in the POTUS elections. TDR ran on the Progressive Party (Bull Moose) ticket, and had a strong showing. Debbs, who was a genuine socialist, ran did pretty well as a 4th party candidate. Also interesting, Debbs and other socialists campaigned in Utah and rented out church building to hold rallies etc. There's been instances where socialists spoke from the tabernacle, I can specifically of Irish leader, James Connolly, a Wobbly and Irish revolutionary did for sure.

    I think the 2 parties got really aggressive on protecting access to elections after that. There were various state parties that were independent and powerful that got swallowed up. Like Minnesota has a long name for their democratic party, the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party. That's is because in the 30s or 40s the democrats joined, or more accurately swallowed up the Farmers Labor party, which was more radical. There are like 1 or 2 other states that have situations like that, but I don't remember who.

    Recently you have had 3rd parties used in sneaky ways. Republican activists have snuck on to Green Party Ballots to syphon votes away from Democrats. Fascists like Augustus Sol, have been trying to coopt Libertarian politics, and have had some success. They often face resistance when outed, but that hasn't consistently been the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Wasn't Lincoln kind of a third-party candidate?
    No. By 1860 the Whig party was dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    No. By 1860 the Whig party was dead.
    Lol @ Henry Clay.
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    I think the Know Nothings were around when Lincoln was. That's probably the creepiest political party we've that actually had some success.

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    Trump’s “Total Authority” Claim Has Rep. Justin Amash “Looking Closely” at Third-Party Run

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    "Of all the potential damage done by President Donald Trump’s meltdown during Monday evening’s briefing on the coronavirus, the biggest self-inflicted political wound may just be its impact on Michigan Rep. Justin Amash. The libertarian-inclined Amash was already a vocal Trump critic, so much so that last year he left the Republican Party over its fealty to the president and voted in favor of impeachment. The 39-year-old representing Grand Rapids has previously hinted at the idea of running a third-party campaign for president this fall, but speculation was boosted Monday when Amash took to Twitter to express his opposition to the president’s performance, particularly Trump’s assertion that he had “total authority” as president to reopen the American economy on whatever timetable he wished."

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    C'mon Ruth Marcus, you can't have it both ways.

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    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

    Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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    So she could lose a Senate seat election twice within a two-year period? Impressive.
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