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    Trump, Biden, 3rd party or not at all?

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    Biden. I might even put a Biden sign in my yard.
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    The libertarian or not at all (with all the Bernie Bros).

    Biden may forget to show up to the Dem convention. If so, and the Dems pick Tulsi instead then I vote for her. Joe Rogan is right about Biden.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    The libertarian or not at all (with all the Bernie Bros).

    Biden may forget to show up to the Dem convention. If so, and the Dems pick Tulsi instead then I vote for her. Joe Rogen is right about Biden.


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    The only certainty is that I won't vote for Trump. How I vote will depend on Biden's running mate who, if he wins, will likely succeed him as President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    The only certainty is that I won't vote for Trump. How I vote will depend on Biden's running mate who, if he wins, will likely succeed him as President.
    The tea leaves are all saying Kamala Harris will be Uncle Joe's running mate... He must like the smell of her hair.
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    I'm conservative fiscally, liberal on social issues. I voted for Hillary because of Trump's ridiculousness generally but specifically for his anti-trade perspectives. I would rate Trump 1/10 on what he says and 6.5/10 on what he actually does. Since I really only care about what he does and not what he says, I don't think he's actually been that bad of a president. I don't know much about Biden, but the Democratic party (Sanders, Warren, Pelosi, AOC, etc) seems to have become way way way too liberal on fiscal issues and anti-Trump just for the sake of being anti-Trump for me to even consider voting Dem right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I'm conservative fiscally, liberal on social issues. I voted for Hillary because of Trump's ridiculousness generally but specifically for his anti-trade perspectives. I would rate Trump 1/10 on what he says and 6.5/10 on what he actually does. Since I really only care about what he does and not what he says, I don't think he's actually been that bad of a president. I don't know much about Biden, but the Democratic party (Sanders, Warren, Pelosi, AOC, etc) seems to have become way way way too liberal on fiscal issues and anti-Trump just for the sake of being anti-Trump for me to even consider voting Dem right now.
    trump has pretty much done what he said on trade
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    If [...] Dems pick Tulsi instead then I vote for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    trump has pretty much done what he said on trade
    He's certainly tried to, but he is too incompetent to fully enact whatever vision he has had. He has disrupted trade commerce and spooked trading partners to be, but even NAFTA 2.0 isn't much of a deviation from the original. He's still terrible on trade, but luckily is too dumb to get his way fully.

    I live in Utah, so whoever I vote for in the presidential race is inconsequential. I'll probably vote Libertarian. But if I was in a swing state, I would be tempted to vote for Trump. With all the drama and general nonsense he is about, really the only thing I fully endorse is the originilist/textualist judiciary strategy being implemented.

    That being said, Trump is a truly despicable person. When he finally goes away, the state of politics will instantly be improved. I'm pretty pissed the democrats have so thoroughly dropped the ball in their response to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    The only certainty is that I won't vote for Trump. How I vote will depend on Biden's running mate who, if he wins, will likely succeed him as President.
    This is close to where I am. I liked Biden a lot more when he could complete a sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USUC View Post
    ...With all the drama and general nonsense he is about, really the only thing I fully endorse is the originailist/textualist judiciary strategy being implemented.
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    I understand, and have sympathy for, this argument. But, by a show of hands, how many think Trump cares at all about originalism, strict construction, or any other specific judicial strategy? He has neither the intellectual capacity nor the interest to care about such things. He cares a lot about re-election, and he was smart enough early on to see that following the recommendations of the Federalist Society put him in good stead with his base and Fox News, as well as reasonable conservatives. But Trump also cares, a lot, about loyalty, hurting his enemies, setting himself up for future wealth, and revenge. If he's re-elected, I expect those latter concerns will drive more of his appointments and decision-making generally. Imagine Roy Cohn, with scores to settle and a nest to feather, as our Chief Executive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I understand, and have sympathy for, this argument. But, by a show of hands, how many think Trump cares at all about originalism, strict construction, or any other specific judicial strategy? He has neither the intellectual capacity nor the interest to care about such things. He cares a lot about re-election, and he was smart enough early on to see that following the recommendations of the Federalist Society put him in good stead with his base and Fox News, as well as reasonable conservatives. But Trump also cares, a lot, about loyalty, hurting his enemies, setting himself up for future wealth, and revenge. If he's re-elected, I expect those latter concerns will drive more of his appointments and decision-making generally. Imagine Roy Cohn, with scores to settle and a nest to feather, as our Chief Executive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I understand, and have sympathy for, this argument. But, by a show of hands, how many think Trump cares at all about originalism, strict construction, or any other specific judicial strategy? He has neither the intellectual capacity nor the interest to care about such things. He cares a lot about re-election, and he was smart enough early on to see that following the recommendations of the Federalist Society put him in good stead with his base and Fox News, as well as reasonable conservatives. But Trump also cares, a lot, about loyalty, hurting his enemies, setting himself up for future wealth, and revenge. If he's re-elected, I expect those latter concerns will drive more of his appointments and decision-making generally. Imagine Roy Cohn, with scores to settle and a nest to feather, as our Chief Executive.
    Oh, he most certainly doesn't care about, let a lone believe in, originalism. But he has thus far been good. And I assume he would most certainly be better than democratic appointees. But your point is valid.

    When Trump is out of power, the overreaction from Democrats will be just as painful as what we are seeing from Trump (albeit without the trolling component). I won't be too worried if Trump loses but the GOP keeps control of the Senate. But if Dems sweep congress as well, I would prefer enough originalist judicial insurance against their most outrageous policies. Maybe the last 4 years has already provided enough insurance. But its a worry of mine. I want a reckoning of Trumpism to happen. And it will. But I don't want that reckoning to be with AOC having power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I understand, and have sympathy for, this argument. But, by a show of hands, how many think Trump cares at all about originalism, strict construction, or any other specific judicial strategy? He has neither the intellectual capacity nor the interest to care about such things. He cares a lot about re-election, and he was smart enough early on to see that following the recommendations of the Federalist Society put him in good stead with his base and Fox News, as well as reasonable conservatives. But Trump also cares, a lot, about loyalty, hurting his enemies, setting himself up for future wealth, and revenge. If he's re-elected, I expect those latter concerns will drive more of his appointments and decision-making generally. Imagine Roy Cohn, with scores to settle and a nest to feather, as our Chief Executive.
    Exactly. Not only is he not a responsible conservative, he's just not a moral person.

    He was an unknown for 2016. People hoped for the best when they voted for him. We know who he is now.

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    I absolutely can't vote for Trump and have never liked him. Unfortunately, last time around I couldn't vote for Hillary either, so I wasted my vote for Gary Johnson, although I didn't feel he could do a decent job as president either. Since I lived in California at the time, I knew that my vote was wasted anyway since we have the electoral college and the state always goes with the Democrat.

    My vote in Idaho is probably also wasted since this state will go with the Republican. But I'll vote for Biden because I at least expect him to put together a decent cabinet. I think Bernie would have been a better choice.

    Overall I'm very disappointed with politics and the choices both parties are giving us. It looks pretty hopeless to me. Maybe the Jehovah's Witnesses have the best idea, not getting involved in politics in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Exactly. Not only is he not a responsible conservative, he's just not a moral person.

    He was an unknown for 2016. People hoped for the best when they voted for him. We know who he is now.
    He wasn't unknown. He was, perhaps, one of the best known personalities to ever run for president. That is exactly what so many TDS people never seemed to grasp. A lot of people knew exactly what he is and STILL preferred him to Hilary or any of the republican pablum offered up in the primaries. Everything he has done since then has been consistent with his image. The difference now is that people are realizing maybe that wasn't such a great idea, but it isn't because he turned out to be something they didnt expect.
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    I was truly considering Biden.

    But then I read that the guy he consults with on COVID-19 wants to keep things shut down for 12-18 months and a couple of my dem friends are giddy about an article that says Biden's agenda is actually more progressive than you think - and it gives me pause. Might be third party for me. I guess, living in Utah as I do, it really doesn't matter who I vote for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    He wasn't unknown. He was, perhaps, one of the best known personalities to ever run for president. That is exactly what so many TDS people never seemed to grasp. A lot of people knew exactly what he is and STILL preferred him to Hilary or any of the republican pablum offered up in the primaries. Everything he has done since then has been consistent with his image. The difference now is that people are realizing maybe that wasn't such a great idea, but it isn't because he turned out to be something they didnt expect.
    I get that. And believe me, it kindles my wrath against the republican party. May it burn to the ground. But I do think that a significant number of independents hoped that he would pick a cabinet and advisors who be able to keep him from being himself. It never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R Nelson View Post
    I absolutely can't vote for Trump and have never liked him. Unfortunately, last time around I couldn't vote for Hillary either, so I wasted my vote for Gary Johnson, although I didn't feel he could do a decent job as president either. Since I lived in California at the time, I knew that my vote was wasted anyway since we have the electoral college and the state always goes with the Democrat.

    My vote in Idaho is probably also wasted since this state will go with the Republican. But I'll vote for Biden because I at least expect him to put together a decent cabinet. I think Bernie would have been a better choice.

    Overall I'm very disappointed with politics and the choices both parties are giving us. It looks pretty hopeless to me. Maybe the Jehovah's Witnesses have the best idea, not getting involved in politics in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    The libertarian or not at all (with all the Bernie Bros).

    Biden may forget to show up to the Dem convention. If so, and the Dems pick Tulsi instead then I vote for her. Joe Rogan is right about Biden.


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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    He wasn't unknown. He was, perhaps, one of the best known personalities to ever run for president. That is exactly what so many TDS people never seemed to grasp. A lot of people knew exactly what he is and STILL preferred him to Hilary or any of the republican pablum offered up in the primaries. Everything he has done since then has been consistent with his image. The difference now is that people are realizing maybe that wasn't such a great idea, but it isn't because he turned out to be something they didnt expect.
    Eh, he was a known personality, but not a known politician. Certainly you could try to extrapolate his media personality to forecast his political one, but that's not the same thing has have a 30 year voting record in the Senate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    trump has pretty much done what he said on trade
    Is it only in my universe that Trump has thrown around tarifs and started pointless trade wars? He does a lot of things he or tries to that he says he will.

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    Biden right now is cognitively about like Reagan in 1988 — barely there.

    Trump is one of the worst people in the USA if not the world.

    Seems like the system is broken.

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    Probably not at all. I refuse to vote for Trump (didn't in 2016 and won't in 2020). Biden has dementia and isn't fit to be President. He may be able to sway me with his VP pick, but that's not going to happen if its Harris or Warren.

    I vote in Utah so my vote doesn't count anyways (not that it would count anywhere else either).

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    I would never vote for third party. We're a two party system and a third party candidate does nothing but throw the election to a minority candidate. We should change our election process to narrow the general election down to two candidates, imho.

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    Third party vote is a waste. I'll be voting for Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I would never vote for third party. We're a two party system and a third party candidate does nothing but throw the election to a minority candidate. We should change our election process to narrow the general election down to two candidates, imho.
    Wasn't Lincoln kind of a third-party candidate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I would never vote for third party. We're a two party system and a third party candidate does nothing but throw the election to a minority candidate. We should change our election process to narrow the general election down to two candidates, imho.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    Third party vote is a waste. I'll be voting for Trump.
    I heartily disagree. To me, its simple thinking to make elections a binary choice. Will only one of two candidates win the office? Almost certainly. But that isn't necessarily the point of a 3rd party voter. At heart I am a Hayekian with a deep respect for limited government and the vision of the framers to limit mob rule. Currently, my vision is not taken seriously by the Dems or the GOP. What is the best way for me to communicate that these are my values? Vote for the candidate/party espousing views that most closely resemble my own. Right now that happens to be the Libertarian Party. The LP is full of batshit crazy people and they put up batshit crazy candidates. But my vote going towards the LP is an indication that the GOP has lost a vote because they have deviated far from the views that I hold. They could get a decent chunk of the LP voter base if they become more free market. Its a way to communicate my ideals.

    I similarly think that conscious non-voting is also a valid strategy.

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    Who is this year's mormon candidate that all of my internetUtahfriends will be voting for?

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