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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    my favorite part. oh well. to each his own
    That may be my favorite part of the song too. It definitely goes down hill from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    My wife got me Hamilton tickets for my birthday this year and we went on Saturday. The man has been my 2nd favorite father for as long as I can remember caring about such things, so I have been wanting to see the show ever since it came out. We have purposely avoided listening to the music, wanting to experience it for the first time performed live. The show was pretty incredible and I think it deserves all the praise it gets (but isn't worth the secondary market price on most days). The Hamilton that replaced Lin-Manuel Miranda is much more talented performer/singer than him based on my listen of the original cast recording in the last couple days. Also, Lafayette/Jefferson is currently played by James Iglehart who won a Tony for playing the Genie in Aladdin. The guy is amazing and makes every song he performs sound like it was written specifically for him. My favorite parts were the cabinet meeting rap battles, the King George songs, and It's Quiet Uptown, during which I sobbed like a teenage girl.

    Speaking of teenage girls, the only part of the show I disliked was the teens who were attending the show and singing along with all the songs. Most were fairly restrained, but we had to politely shush a couple sitting near us.
    Sounds awesome but I would think a person would enjoy the play and songs more by familiarizing himself with the songs in advance. Maybe that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Sounds awesome but I would think a person would enjoy the play and songs more by familiarizing himself with the songs in advance. Maybe that's just me.
    Unless you are intimately familiar with the Hamilton biography.
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    Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Sounds awesome but I would think a person would enjoy the play and songs more by familiarizing himself with the songs in advance. Maybe that's just me.
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    Unless you are intimately familiar with the Hamilton biography.
    Topper is right (yeah I typed it!). I'm pretty familiar with Hamilton's life so I was confident I wouldn't be lost and I was right. There are hilarious one-off lines in the songs that made me laugh out loud but aren't as funny if you don't have the historical context (like when Lee gets promoted and yells "I'm a general! Wheeeee!"). Even my wife, who only knows as much about Hamilton as she has been forced to listen to me drone on about how great he is, did fine and said she was glad she got to hear it live first. She said there were very few parts where she had trouble following the dialogue and story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    The Hamilton soundtrack is phenomenal!
    False.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    False.
    You are false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    You are false.
    Type mismatch in expression
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    I just found out I have to go to this thing in Portland next spring.
    You should just move here... big city and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clackamascoug View Post
    You should just move here... big city and all.
    Other than Nike what is there to recommend Portland? Yes I know Nike is north of Portland.

    What are the most positive attributes and most negative? Is public transportation viable there?
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    "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

    Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Other than Nike what is there to recommend Portland? Yes I know Nike is north of Portland.

    What are the most positive attributes and most negative? Is public transportation viable there?
    North of Portland is a river. Nike is west of Portland. Intel is also west of Portland.

    I'm across the Columbia river in what would officially be a suburb of Portland if there wasn't a river that is also a state line separating the two. I don't venture into Portland very often, it doesn't offer much of interest to me. I'm a suburbanite. I do like having access to the big city (zoo, OMSI, concerts, plays, etc.).

    Obviously the majority of the population leans liberal, but any large city is going to offer communities where just about anyone will feel comfortable (with exceptions). Portland is about as diverse as any. There is a bus system and a few light rail options. Positive and negative is going to depend on what your interests are. If you like to watch or interact with tatted and pierced hipsters sporting the latest trends in clothing and facial hair, downtown Portland is for you.

    What I appreciate about the greater Portland area is where you can get from here relatively quickly (within 2-3 hour drive). Oregon/Washington coast beaches to the west. Mount Hood to the east. Columbia River Gorge Scenic Area also to the east. Puget Sound to the north. Lakes, rivers, forests (rain forest), farmland, desert, mountains, recently active volcano, and many other varied geographical features are all relatively close. Hiking, camping, river-rafting, skiing/snowboarding, surfing, water-skiing, kite boarding, paddle boarding, surf boarding, birding, wildlife watching, etc. For a guy with a camera, it offers all kinds of opportunities.

    However, it rains all of the time which will make you depressed, so don't move here.

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    People in Portland drive very slowly on the interstate. They actually believe the speed limit signs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    People in Portland drive very slowly on the interstate. They actually believe the speed limit signs.
    I'm a little surprised by this comment. Mostly because people keep referring to a Hamilton soundtrack in this thread and I thought you would feel compelled to correct them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    I'm a little surprised by the comment. Mostly because people keep referring to a Hamilton soundtrack in this thread and I thought you would feel compelled to correct them.
    You have confused me with Donut hole, perhaps. I rarely nit pick and am a gentle and easy going person who lets all things pass with ease. Besides, how can I help it if there is no sound track to a play, if the music is not really very good but is only popular because it lowers quality to appeal to the masses, and if even those among us here are willing to pay ridiculous sums of money to see this ... musical? I thought it was ok but am not sure why it is so wildly popular. Moreover, people in Portland really do abide by the speed limits. It drives me nuts when I am up there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    People in Portland drive very slowly on the interstate. They actually believe the speed limit signs.
    New Yorkers do the same. And cops give the most costly tickets in New York. It is maddening. There is a stretch of road from Binghamton to NYC where the speed limit varies up and down every couple of miles, loading the highway with speed traps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    You have confused me with Donut hole, perhaps. I rarely nit pick and am a gentle and easy going person who lets all things pass with ease. Besides, how can I help it if there is no sound track to a play, if the music is not really very good but is only popular because it lowers quality to appeal to the masses, and if even those among us here are willing to pay ridiculous sums of money to see this ... musical? I thought it was ok but am not sure why it is so wildly popular. Moreover, people in Portland really do abide by the speed limits. It drives me nuts when I am up there.
    I think I probably liked it more than you, but my reaction was somewhat similar. I genuinely liked and enjoyed seeing it. The cost was worth it because I took one of my daughters who was excited beyond words (I know that's a Hamilton fan trope ... although she is more of a musical theater fan than a narrow Hamilton fan ... the cast recording of choice at my house has been Dear Evan Hansen for a while). But without my daughter it wouldn't have been close to worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    I think I probably liked it more than you, but my reaction was somewhat similar. I genuinely liked and enjoyed seeing it. The cost was worth it because I took one of my daughters who was excited beyond words (I now that's a Hamilton trope ... although she is more of a musical theater fan than a narrow Hamilton fan ... the cast recording of choice at my house has be Dear Evan Hansen for a while). But without my daughter it wouldn't have been close to worth it.
    The songs are being played in my house now and I am wondering what the fuss is about. I told my wife, if we could win the lottery for the $10 tickets it might be worth it. $1000 tickets, no thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    The songs are being played in my house now and I am wondering what the fuss is about. I told my wife, if we could win the lottery for the $10 tickets it might be worth it. $1000 tickets, no thank you.
    They don't cost near that much anymore. Look, it's an important cultural moment of the 21st century. In a similar way that the Harry Potter books were. The Hamilton phenomenon is a narrower province of the upper middle class and above, but it is culturally important. Is being part of that cultural moment worth $300-$400? It was for me given my daughters (of course, I read the whole Harry Potter series for similar reasons).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    They don't cost near that much anymore. Look, it's an important cultural moment of the 21st century. In a similar way that the Harry Potter books were. The Hamilton phenomenon is a narrower province of the upper middle class and above, but it is culturally important. Is being part of that cultural moment worth $300-$400? It was for me given my daughters (of course, I read the whole Harry Potter series for similar reasons).
    You make a legitimate point, as always. My nephew bought two tickets at Xmas time for $1000 a piece, so I assumed that was the going rate. $300 is a bit pricey for me, but I can understand why for people like creekster it would be no big deal.

    I read the Potter books to understand what my children were reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    They don't cost near that much anymore. Look, it's an important cultural moment of the 21st century. In a similar way that the Harry Potter books were. The Hamilton phenomenon is a narrower province of the upper middle class and above, but it is culturally important. Is being part of that cultural moment worth $300-$400? It was for me given my daughters (of course, I read the whole Harry Potter series for similar reasons).
    I only read the first potter book and part of the rest, once in a while, out loud to my daughter. But she could stand ot wait for the next reading so ended up finishing the rest of each one herself. I was not sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    I'm a little surprised by this comment. Mostly because people keep referring to a Hamilton soundtrack in this thread and I thought you would feel compelled to correct them.
    I referred to it as the original cast recording.

    I obviously disagree with you and Creekster. I think the songs are pretty amazing. But I will say the live performance is a million times more impressive than the cast recording, especially with the current cast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    You make a legitimate point, as always. My nephew bought two tickets at Xmas time for $1000 a piece, so I assumed that was the going rate. $300 is a bit pricey for me, but I can understand why for people like creekster it would be no big deal.

    I read the Potter books to understand what my children were reading.
    To followup a little: I actually think the sub-text is far more important and compelling than the text (ok, music in this case ... but yes I do like the music too). Specifically, it is the first successful rewriting of the founding myth for historically oppressed or disadvantage minorities. I see that as an important moment. As a point of contrast: As Mormons we wrote ourselves into the founding myth in the late 19th century. We were outsiders too, but it was much easier for us. I do think some other current trends in our politics and culture undermine the importance of this mythic rewriting. But it's still important, and I think an important aspect of why the play is culturally important and resonant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I referred to it as the original cast recording.

    I obviously disagree with you and Creekster. I think the songs are pretty amazing.
    Sorry, I did like play and I enjoy the cast recording. In fact, I will go Renee Elise Goldsberry concert here at BYU in the fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    To followup a little: I actually think the sub-text is far more important and compelling than the text (ok, music in this case ... but yes I do like the music too). Specifically, it is the first successful rewriting of the founding myth for historically oppressed or disadvantage minorities. I see that as an important moment. As a point of contrast: As Mormons we wrote ourselves into the founding myth in the late 19th century. We were outsiders too, but it was much easier for us. I do think some other current trends in our politics and culture undermine the importance of this mythic rewriting. But it's still important, and I think an important aspect of why the play is culturally important and resonant.
    This sounds interesting and I am certain I am missing how the myth re-writing is occurring here, because I have not seen the play and have not listened to all of the songs. Are you stating by virtue of the cast and genre of music, minorities are re-writing themselves into the founding myth?

    Using Hamilton who is a tragic figure in the founding myth is an interesting attempt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Are you stating by virtue of the cast and genre of music, minorities are re-writing themselves into the founding myth?
    Yes, particularly the genre of music is an important part of this. I do think you have to see the play for this to come across with force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Yes, particularly the genre of music is an important part of this. I do think you have to see the play for this to come across with force.
    Thank you. In listening to the songs, I am not particularly fond of the hip hop, mostly because I find them difficult to follow, which is why I am reading the lyrics, given the status of the cultural phenomenon.

    Given Hamilton's asymmetrical life story, he seems to be a peculiar choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I referred to it as the original cast recording.
    I will own that (sorry p-lag!). But if you google "hamilton soundtrack" you will find it is a very widely used expression.
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    I can't stop laughing at this gem from the ape man:

    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Besides, how can I help it if there is no sound track to a play, if the music is not really very good but is only popular because it lowers quality to appeal to the masses, and if even those among us here are willing to pay ridiculous sums of money to see this ... musical?
    She would word it differently, but my 87-yr-old mother would say pretty much the same thing. She prefers white people music too!

    Well done, creekster. Well done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Thank you. In listening to the songs, I am not particularly fond of the hip hop, mostly because I find them difficult to follow, which is why I am reading the lyrics, given the status of the cultural phenomenon.

    Given Hamilton's asymmetrical life story, he seems to be a peculiar choice.
    The fact that Miranda was born and raised in Upper Manhattan (Inwood) probably has a lot to do with it. If you want to write a founding story with New York as the primary location, Hamilton is the obvious choice for protagonist.

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