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    Anyone here read the Alexander Hamilton bio by Chernow?

    http://www.amazon.com/Alexander-Hami...58/ref=ed_oe_p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Anyone here read the Alexander Hamilton bio by Chernow?

    http://www.amazon.com/Alexander-Hami...58/ref=ed_oe_p

    Worth the effort?
    ABsolutely. I loved the book. I very much enjoyed this one.

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    I agree, very good book. Chernow also wrote a very nice bio of Rockefeller called Titan.

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    I'm just starting the book and I can tell I'm going to like it. Coincidentally, I just got tickets to see the musical Hamilton (which the author claims was inspired by Chernow's book) when we're in NYC in December. It's getting buzz and ticket sales similar to The BoM, but I'm prepared to hate it. I'm not sure hip hop and the Federalist Papers were meant for each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I'm just starting the book and I can tell I'm going to like it. Coincidentally, I just got tickets to see the musical Hamilton (which the author claims was inspired by Chernow's book) when we're in NYC in December. It's getting buzz and ticket sales similar to The BoM, but I'm prepared to hate it. I'm not sure hip hop and the Federalist Papers were meant for each other.

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    Hey, I forgot about this thread. I read the bio and loved it. One of my all-time favorite books. Hamilton was a genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Hey, I forgot about this thread. I read the bio and loved it. One of my all-time favorite books. Hamilton was a genius.

    Curse that stupid wanker, Aaron Burr.
    Hey, I just started this book and so far it's fantastic. I'm about 1/4 of the way into it. I did take a short break to blow through that "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" book you mentioned elsewhere. Just finished that one tonight (great recommendation). So I'll be back with Alex tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I'm just starting the book and I can tell I'm going to like it. Coincidentally, I just got tickets to see the musical Hamilton (which the author claims was inspired by Chernow's book) when we're in NYC in December. It's getting buzz and ticket sales similar to The BoM, but I'm prepared to hate it. I'm not sure hip hop and the Federalist Papers were meant for each other.

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    saw it a couple weeks ago and loved it
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    I finished this recently, loved it, and I continue to reflect on the book and the man. Among the many thoughts and reactions I've had (none profound or original, I acknowledge):

    --Taking Hamilton off the Ten instead of Jackson off the Twenty is absurdly inappropriate. Hamilton probably did more for this country than any non-President, and most Presidents for that matter. Jackson's legacy doesn't come close to Hamilton's accomplishments.

    --How could such a brilliant, responsible man (he arranged his affairs prior to his duel with Burr so that all of his clients' matters weren't jeopardized) participate in such a stupid "matter of honor," knowing that he would be leaving a wife and children whom he adored potentially destitute?

    --I can't think of anyone in American history that started from such humble beginnings and went on to accomplish so much. And by accomplishments I'm not referring to the accumulation of wealth but to accomplishments that had a beneficial effect on others.

    --It's always interesting how even the most brilliant people do some really stupid things occasionally (Hamilton engaged in the first sex scandal in U.S. political history)

    --Eliza Hamilton was an outstanding woman who deserves a greater legacy than history affords her--I enjoyed her put-down former President James Monroe

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I finished this recently, loved it, and I continue to reflect on the book and the man. Among the many thoughts and reactions I've had (none profound or original, I acknowledge):

    --Taking Hamilton off the Ten instead of Jackson off the Twenty is absurdly inappropriate. Hamilton probably did more for this country than any non-President, and most Presidents for that matter. Jackson's legacy doesn't come close to Hamilton's accomplishments.

    --How could such a brilliant, responsible man (he arranged his affairs prior to his duel with Burr so that all of his clients' matters weren't jeopardized) participate in such a stupid "matter of honor," knowing that he would be leaving a wife and children whom he adored potentially destitute?

    --I can't think of anyone in American history that started from such humble beginnings and went on to accomplish so much. And by accomplishments I'm not referring to the accumulation of wealth but to accomplishments that had a beneficial effect on others.

    --It's always interesting how even the most brilliant people do some really stupid things occasionally (Hamilton engaged in the first sex scandal in U.S. political history)

    --Eliza Hamilton was an outstanding woman who deserves a greater legacy than history affords her--I enjoyed her put-down former President James Monroe


    Have you seen the play yet? Anxious to hear your review. I am listening to the soundtrack right now on Spotify.

    Remind me of what Eliza said to James Monroe.
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    When we were in NY in August I really wanted to see the show, but the rest of my family was not as enthusiastic, so we stuck with Matilda and Les Miz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    When we were in NY in August I really wanted to see the show, but the rest of my family was not as enthusiastic, so we stuck with Matilda and Les Miz.
    How did you like Matilda?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    How did you like Matilda?
    Actually really liked it a lot. We didn't know all that much about it, and went for the kids, but both my wife and I thought it was a great show. One of the best I've seen. The kids, from ages 10 to 20, also loved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    Actually really liked it a lot. We didn't know all that much about it, and went for the kids, but both my wife and I thought it was a great show. One of the best I've seen. The kids, from ages 10 to 20, also loved it.
    The wife and I loved it. That opening number right after the intermission by Matilda's father had us laughing so hard I thought we would pass out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post


    Have you seen the play yet? Anxious to hear your review. I am listening to the soundtrack right now on Spotify.

    Remind me of what Eliza said to James Monroe.
    We're going to spend the week before Christmas week in NYC and we'll see it then, among other fun stuff. Here's the section about the Eliza/Monroe confrontation in her home:

    You’ll recall it was Monroe who, long before his presidency, had leaked very damaging information about Hamilton (some true, much of it not). The extent of Monroe’s calumnies (great word, btw, used a lot by gentlemen of that era when rebuking others) didn’t come to light until after Hamilton’s death. Many years later, and after his presidency, Monroe paid a visit to Eliza who had become revered for her life’s work and for having been among the Founding Fathers. From the book (page 728):

    With a bow, Monroe began what sounded like a well-rehearsed speech, stating “that it was many years since they had met, that the lapse of time brought its softening influences, that they both were nearing the grave, when past differences could be forgiven and forgotten.”

    Eliza saw that Monroe was trying to draw a moral equation between them and apportion blame equally for the long rupture in their relationship. Even at this late date, thirty years after the fact, she was not in a forgiving mood. “Mr. Monroe,” she told him, if you have come to tell me that you repent, that you are sorry, very sorry, for the misrepresentations and the slanders and the stories you circulated against my dear husband, if you have come to say this, I understand it. But otherwise, no lapse of time, no nearness to the grave, makes any difference.” Monroe took in this rebuke without comment. Stunned by the fiery words delivered by the elderly little woman in widow’s weeds, the ex-president picked up his hat, bid Eliza good day, and left the house, never to return.

    After I read it, it occurred to me the same exchange would occur if Obama visits IPU or '71 long after his presidency; substitute "Mitt" for "husband", and I think it's pretty close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    Actually really liked it a lot. We didn't know all that much about it, and went for the kids, but both my wife and I thought it was a great show. One of the best I've seen. The kids, from ages 10 to 20, also loved it.
    yeah, we liked it too. tim minchin did a great job.
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    Anyone interested in Hamilton or Hamilton (the person or the musical) should tune into PBS's Hamilton's America. It aired Friday evening but there are a few repeat showings coming (including one late tonight, I believe). It's a 90-minute program that details Hamilton's life as well as the writing of the musical. Ron Chernow (author of the biography) comments throughout, as do many others including Obama, Bush, Ryan, Warren, Paulsen, etc.). Lots of scenes from the musical as well. It's very well done and if you have any interest in either the man or the musical, you really need to watch it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Anyone interested in Hamilton or Hamilton (the person or the musical) should tune into PBS's Hamilton's America. It aired Friday evening but there are a few repeat showings coming (including one late tonight, I believe). It's a 90-minute program that details Hamilton's life as well as the writing of the musical. Ron Chernow (author of the biography) comments throughout, as do many others including Obama, Bush, Ryan, Warren, Paulsen, etc.). Lots of scenes from the musical as well. It's very well done and if you have any interest in either the man or the musical, you really need to watch it.
    We just finished watching it. Very well done.

    Those guys have got to be pretty close to my age, having also been raised in the golden era of hip hop of the late 80s and early 90s. We've been listening to the soundtrack for several months now, and it was actually playing on loop in my car for the 2.5 hour drive home from the temple Saturday afternoon. Seeing the special and a number of the scenes made me and the kids really want to see the play now.


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    Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Enjoy.
    That was very clever, and fun to watch. I also liked the video that followed, featuring the full Hamilton case. Still gives me chills.

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    My wife got me Hamilton tickets for my birthday this year and we went on Saturday. The man has been my 2nd favorite father for as long as I can remember caring about such things, so I have been wanting to see the show ever since it came out. We have purposely avoided listening to the music, wanting to experience it for the first time performed live. The show was pretty incredible and I think it deserves all the praise it gets (but isn't worth the secondary market price on most days). The Hamilton that replaced Lin-Manuel Miranda is much more talented performer/singer than him based on my listen of the original cast recording in the last couple days. Also, Lafayette/Jefferson is currently played by James Iglehart who won a Tony for playing the Genie in Aladdin. The guy is amazing and makes every song he performs sound like it was written specifically for him. My favorite parts were the cabinet meeting rap battles, the King George songs, and It's Quiet Uptown, during which I sobbed like a teenage girl.

    Speaking of teenage girls, the only part of the show I disliked was the teens who were attending the show and singing along with all the songs. Most were fairly restrained, but we had to politely shush a couple sitting near us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    My wife got me Hamilton tickets for my birthday this year and we went on Saturday. The man has been my 2nd favorite father for as long as I can remember caring about such things, so I have been wanting to see the show ever since it came out. We have purposely avoided listening to the music, wanting to experience it for the first time performed live. The show was pretty incredible and I think it deserves all the praise it gets (but isn't worth the secondary market price on most days). The Hamilton that replaced Lin-Manuel Miranda is much more talented performer/singer than him based on my listen of the original cast recording in the last couple days. Also, Lafayette/Jefferson is currently played by James Iglehart who won a Tony for playing the Genie in Aladdin. The guy is amazing and makes every song he performs sound like it was written specifically for him. My favorite parts were the cabinet meeting rap battles, the King George songs, and It's Quiet Uptown, during which I sobbed like a teenage girl.

    Speaking of teenage girls, the only part of the show I disliked was the teens who were attending the show and singing along with all the songs. Most were fairly restrained, but we had to politely shush a couple sitting near us.
    Interesting. I bought the soundtrack, and I'm not a huge fan. I almost turned it off twice: 1. Early on when Lafayette and others are introduced and they start with a "Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo!" and then when Lafayette does his rap solo during Guns and Ships. But, I'm willing to admit that listening to the music only doesn't fully do justice to the overall production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Interesting. I bought the soundtrack, and I'm not a huge fan. I almost turned it off twice: 1. Early on when Lafayette and others are introduced and they start with a "Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo!" and then when Lafayette does his rap solo during Guns and Ships. But, I'm willing to admit that listening to the music only doesn't fully do justice to the overall production.
    I don't like the hip hop, in no small part because I have difficulty understand the story as told that way. It seems like a very uneven production though I have not seen it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Interesting. I bought the soundtrack, and I'm not a huge fan. I almost turned it off twice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Haha. Don't ever change, GM.
    I'm not sure what you're inferring, but rest assured, change does not come easy for the Monstah clan!

    Sidenote: I actually started Chernow's book via audible over the weekend. So far, it's been fantastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    I don't like the hip hop, in no small part because I have difficulty understand the story as told that way. It seems like a very uneven production though I have not seen it.
    I will say that I now fully advocate executive cabinet meetings taking the form of rap battles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I'm not sure what you're inferring, but rest assured, change does not come easy for the Monstah clan!
    I am talking about your tendency to be an iconoclast. The Hamilton soundtrack is phenomenal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I am talking about your tendency to be an iconoclast. The Hamilton soundtrack is phenomenal!
    Yeah, I suppose that's true.

    When something gets hyped, I typically look for the "what's wrong" as opposed to enjoying the ride. But can you really call a soundtrack phenomenal when it includes songs like the Schuyler Sisters???!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Interesting. I bought the soundtrack, and I'm not a huge fan. I almost turned it off twice: 1. Early on when Lafayette and others are introduced and they start with a "Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo!" and then when Lafayette does his rap solo during Guns and Ships. But, I'm willing to admit that listening to the music only doesn't fully do justice to the overall production.
    guns and ships is like my favorite song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    guns and ships is like my favorite song.
    Everyone give it up for America's fighting Frenchmaaaaaaaaaaaan!

    So bad. I'm sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Everyone give it up for America's fighting Frenchmaaaaaaaaaaaan!

    So bad. I'm sorry.
    my favorite part. oh well. to each his own

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