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At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postthis was always going to be the outcome: if deaths were less than predicted, protective measures that were themselves the cause of fewer deaths would be viewed in retrospect as a waste.
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostThirteen deaths in Utah. And I'm reading news stories criticizing the governor for not completely shutting down the state.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostI'm an expert on the untold misery and death and loss of liberty that will occur if we continue the current course economically. I've read many books on that subject, and even lived through it--while it occurred in other places, fortunately.
The only things that will save us are capitalism, America's healthcare system, and large pharmaceutical companies. It's that simple.
Have faith in your fellow Americans, brother."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postthis was always going to be the outcome: if deaths were less than predicted, protective measures that were themselves the cause of fewer deaths would be viewed in retrospect as a waste.
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Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostDid they all die in nursing homes?"...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUte
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostThirteen deaths in Utah. And I'm reading news stories criticizing the governor for not completely shutting down the state.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”
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Originally posted by Omaha 680 View PostAnd it was always going to be the case that no matter the decrease in deaths, the proponents of the stringent lockdown measures will say everything we did was absolutely, positively necessary or we would have hit the higher projections. Both positions are tedious but the point is we were successful. We did what we had to do absent data and the reality is a lot better than the experts said it could be. I think it is a combination of the projections being too high and Americans really taking distancing more seriously than the modelers thought was possible. But regardless now is the time to chart a way back to normalcy. Characterizing our current situation as "working from home for another month" is hyperbole. What we are doing is a lot more dangerous than that.
1. the complete lack of intellectual horsepower being devoted to what the actual costs of preventative measures look like. keep in mind that we're talking about the incremental costs of measures above those necessary to prevent the worst case virus spread scenario, not the overall cost of all preventative measures. this is a complicated and nuanced discussion. we've discussed ad nauseam the potential issues with the models and epidemiological data, but nobody has presented a single coherent and quantifiable scenario about the actual economic costs. that makes it impossible to evaluate alternatives.
2. the melodramatic race to the great depression/wwiii/major war/every single catastrophe in human existence scenario. this is at least as lazy as the million+ death projections some people made and probably more harmful to the discussion, and particularly obnoxious given su (the book reading liberal artist) checking credentials at the door and appealing to the authority of bloomberg contributors qua scientists instead of thinking critically about this.Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostYour lack of faith in America and capitalism is sad. Americans won't stand for the shut down for much longer. We all agree that this temporary shut down is necessary if at least to slow the spread and to enforce in our minds the necessities of social distancing and proper hygiene. But I can guarantee that if the politicians don't start to allow things to open up by early May, you are going to see Americans in most places no longer stand for the strict stay at home measures. There will be willful rebellion and a call for current politicians to be replaced at the ballot box in November. Like I said, Americans are fine being disrupted for a short period of time, but come warmer weather and absurd amounts of cabin fever and a slight destruction in their wealth and all mayhem will break loose.
Have faith in your fellow Americans, brother.
All we're saying is this has to stop. It can't go on. There are competing values. Duh. What we're doing to the economy is or could soon become an existential crisis. We now know that Covid-19 is not an existential crisis. Yesterday even MBN agreed that any working American has a greater chance of dying in a car accident driving to work than dying of Covid-19. So where is the discussion of competing interests and how and when the economy would be opened?
It's time for someone to show real leadership and give us a specific path out in the FORESEEABLE FUTURE, while articulating what's truly at stake, like Churchill did after Dunkirk. With that, the economy can recover by year's end. Any rational person who knows he's less likely to die of Covid than in a car wreck commuting to work will return to work, and the bars, etc. I will vote for that person whow exercises that leadership. I'm tired of Governor Inslee being called a genius just because he shut everything down in March and murdered the economy. I have seen no real leadership.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postis that one that was obese and recently had heart surgery?When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostAre you rejecting the data that just about everyone who dies is very old and/or has a serious life-threatening underlying health problem?Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
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