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As if you need any more evidence that people are dumb:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...vey-finds.html
A full one third of Americans will not get the vaccine when it is developed.
The report, from PR firm Bospar, found that one-third of adults did not trust being immunized against the virus that has killed more than 69,000 in the US.'Our beliefs are it would track with much of the typical vaccine rhetoric: that it causes something else, that it leads to COVID-19 infection, suspicion of the medical industry itself,' he said.
'COVID-19 has not the changed the face of this group of people that is profoundly selfish and short-sighted.'
Baby boomers and the silent generation were the most likely to be vaccinated with 78.3 percent saying they would be immunized.
Meanwhile, younger participants between ages 18 and 24 were the least likely with 57.6 percent saying they would not be vaccinated.Last edited by Jeff Lebowski; 05-05-2020, 02:22 PM."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostAs if you need any more evidence that people are dumb:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...vey-finds.html
A full one third of Americans will not get the vaccine when it is developed.
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It's common for me to get lost in the data. Occasionally, a reminder is needed that there are times we sacrifice for the one. Tough read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ndemic/610594/
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Originally posted by Joe Public View PostWhen I think of the silent generation and the older baby boomers, I think of the smallpox vaccine scars I would see on their arms at the town swimming pool, etc.
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Originally posted by Bo Diddley View PostI had one of those. I got a second one right before going to Iraq in '03. We also went through the Anthrax series. I'm probably in the 99th percentile of getting vaccinations."What are you prepared to do?" - Jimmy Malone
"What choice?" - Abe Petrovsky
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Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View PostTest #2 came back negative. So onto the great test #3 and to quote Jack Nicholson: "two outa 3 ain't all bad....." So between this latest development and Dr NWCoug's affordable professional advice I plan to forego any antibody testing and BEAT NAVY!
There some cases in Korea and even in USFK where people keep testing positive even after 2 months. Not symptomatic, just testing positive. They keep them in quarantine because it's not clear whether or not they are still shedding virus. What a bad card draw.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostKeep in mind that "opening up" doesn't mean we are even remotely close to being back to normal. In Texas, many businesses are still closed and aren't allowed to reopen until May 18 at the earliest. Retail stores are extremely limited on the number of people allowed in the store at once. There are lines that stretch around the stores with people waiting to get in, of course hte lines are very long becuase people are at least six feet apart. Restaurants are still mostly takeout, but they have limited seating (25% capacity) which for some smaller restaurants is maybe a dozen people. We are still strongly encourage (used to be required until Abbott overruled the judge) in Harris county and the other more populous counties to wear face covereings in public (I'd say 90% of customers in stores are following this and 100% of workers in stores are following it). People that can work from home are still working from home. The only company I know that is really going back to work is Exxon and they are currently having people that owrk in offices come back into the buildings but only up to 25% occupancy. They are an open-concept company so they are trying to figure out how, if ever, they will work that when they try to bring everyone back in. Right now, if things go well, they will rotate workers between the office and home so everyone can still be social distant while working.
It's not like we are all running around shaking hands, french kissing, and crowding into concerts and arenas. Texas does lag on the testing front but they've hired 4,000 people into the public health department to do the contact tracing. This is all new to us but it seems the infrastructure is getting put into place so why not move ahead and open up a bit? South Korea didn't even really lockdown like Texas, so our opening up is probably even more restrictive than South Korea ever got.
Yes, Korea didn't lock down (but it did close schools very early), but the government strongly encouraged people to social distance, which they did. Many shops and restaurants remained open, but foot traffic was way down (mass transportation usage was down as much as 70% at times). Korea acted early to put measures in place to contain the spread, so that it was able to be proactive rather than reactive in fighting this thing. Korea also had very robust testing and contact tracing and was able to hone in on outbreaks and put them out. Korea also mandates that those exposed download apps so they can be tracked, especially those that test positive. If they break quarantine, the penalties are fairly stiff. Korea also identified new cases with patient #s and published where those people had been the previous 48-72 hours so that the public could be aware that they might have been exposed and/or avoid those places until sanitized. With that type of strong action, they were able to avoid government mandated shutdowns.
I don't know of any place in the U.S., short of some more rural states, that are fully in proactive mode.
This type of thing in Georgia is not helpful.
Last edited by myboynoah; 05-05-2020, 05:44 PM.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Originally posted by myboynoah View PostThank you for the ground truth.
Yes, Korea didn't lock down (but it did close schools very early), but the government strongly encouraged people to social distance, which they did. Many shops and restaurants remained open, but foot traffic was way down (mass transportation usage was down as much as 70% at times). Korea acted early to put measures in place to contain the spread, so that it was able to be proactive rather than reactive in fighting this thing. Korea also had very robust testing and contact tracing and was able to hone in on outbreaks and put them out. Korea also mandates that those exposed download apps so they can be tracked, especially those that test positive. If they break quarantine, the penalties are fairly stiff. Korea also identified new cases with patient #s and published where those people had been the previous 48-72 hours so that the public could be aware that they might have been exposed and/or avoid those places until sanitized. With that type of strong action, they were able to avoid government mandated shutdowns.
I don't know of any place in the U.S., short of some more rural states, that are fully in proactive mode.
This type of thing in Georgia is not helpful.
https://abc7news.com/cinco-de-mayo-s...anner/6151535/
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostOverall, the Bay Area has been doing pretty well with social distancing, masks, etc., with correspondingly encouraging results. But there were premature Cinco de Mayo celebrations in San Jose at which there were no masks, or distancing, to be seen. Idiots.
https://abc7news.com/cinco-de-mayo-s...anner/6151535/
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My observations at this point.
1. I think if we would have never done any quarantining at all, and just emphasized normal health standards, like if you're sick stay at home, don't cough on people, etc, the US death count never would have exceeded 500K with the vast majority being elderly and those already very sick. That's an acceptable loss, imho, to avoid the economic disaster that occurred and is still occurring.
2. The stated reason for quarantining in the first place was to flatten the curve and avoid overwhelming hospitals. At this point, it appears no matter how irresponsible people act starting today, there will be no way that would happen. The stated reason for quarantining now is for saving lives. And the arguments are usually done in manipulative way by comparing lives lost to Vietnam or WWII.
3. If we all go back to work, being responsible, wearing masks, sick people stay at home, being very careful about exposure to elderly or otherwise at risk, maybe continue to limit large gatherings that have little financial impact, there is very low risk that the total death count will rise from today's 72K to more than let's say 250K. Again, with the vast majority of those being very elderly and sick people, imo that's an acceptable loss for moving on with life. That delta of 180K is less than half percent of our country's population of age >65.
4. Every day we spend quarantining right now with healthy people under age 60 not going back to work and restaurants and other businesses being closed is a complete waste.
5. There does not appear to be a significant "second wave" in any country.
6. We didn't have all this data at the beginning, so you can't blame leaders for overreacting, but it was an overreaction.Last edited by jay santos; 05-06-2020, 06:30 AM.
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostMy observations at this point.
1. I think if we would have never done any quarantining at all, and just emphasized normal health standards, like if you're sick stay at home, don't cough on people, etc, the US death count never would have exceeded 500K with the vast majority being elderly and those already very sick. That's an acceptable loss, imho, to avoid the economic disaster that occurred and is still occurring.
2. The stated reason for quarantining in the first place was to flatten the curve and avoid overwhelming hospitals. At this point, it appears no matter how irresponsible people act starting today, there will be no way that would happen. The stated reason for quarantining now is for saving lives. And the arguments are usually done in manipulative way by comparing lives lost to Vietnam or WWII.
3. If we all go back to work, being responsible, wearing masks, sick people stay at home, being very careful about exposure to elderly or otherwise at risk, maybe continue to limit large gatherings that have little financial impact, there is very low risk that the total death count will rise from today's 72K to more than let's say 250K. Again, with the vast majority of those being very elderly and sick people, imo that's an acceptable loss for moving on with life. That delta of 180K is less than half percent of our country's population of age >65.
4. Every day we spend quarantining right now with healthy people under age 60 not going back to work and restaurants and other businesses being closed is a complete waste.
5. There does not appear to be a significant "second wave" in any country.
6. We didn't have all this data at the beginning, so you can't blame leaders for overreacting, but it was an overreaction.
either way, the natives are getting restless. people are largely good. when faced with the possibility of overrunning hospitals, of doctors and nurses with insufficient PPE, etc, mixed with some concern for their own safey, they were willing to stay home, to be good soldiers in the quarantine. now that they've seen that in most places hospitals haven't been overrun and won't be overrun and they really aren't concerned for their own personal safety, they want to get back to living. they want to celebrate the 5th of may, they want to go to work and they want to eat in restaurants again.I'm like LeBron James.
-mpfunk
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