View Poll Results: At what point did/will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

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  • From the Social Media rumors at the very beginning

    2 4.44%
  • When CCP abruptly stopped arresting journalists, and announced 3 hospitals in 1 week

    5 11.11%
  • When I tried to buy masks online from Amazon, Home Depot & Lowes, only to find everywhere sold out

    1 2.22%
  • When WHO declared a global emergency

    6 13.33%
  • When the US closed its borders to non-americans

    3 6.67%
  • When the lethality passed SARS

    0 0%
  • When they cancel Church in my area

    3 6.67%
  • I'm still not going to panic

    25 55.56%
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    Aw hell. Joe Diffie has died of COVID.
    I hope his gravestone has an epitaph written in John Deere green.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/us/jo...rnd/index.html
    So bummed about that.


    IMO, this pandemic is serving up some hefty portions of humble-pie to our hubristic society.
    We can't tell the future; we don't have all of the information; we can't have the answers immediately; we need to respect the aw(e)ful power of Nature. We are not in charge.

    Of course humanity needs to continue to struggle heroically to save lives and maintain society, but I hope we take pause to recognize how fragile life really is, how small we really are. To paraphrase Aeschylus: when all is well, a mere shadow can ruin it like a wet sponge blotting out a drawing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    We aren't quibbling over what an article said, you dolt. These are the exact words used by the UK's top epidemiologist.
    SU, if you could just insult a few more posters on this here obscure sports board I think you will lick this pesky virus and save the world. The stakes are huge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solon View Post
    Aw hell. Joe Diffie has died of COVID.
    I hope his gravestone has an epitaph written in John Deere green.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/us/jo...rnd/index.html
    So bummed about that.


    IMO, this pandemic is serving up some hefty portions of humble-pie to our hubristic society.
    We can't tell the future; we don't have all of the information; we can't have the answers immediately; we need to respect the aw(e)ful power of Nature. We are not in charge.

    Of course humanity needs to continue to struggle heroically to save lives and maintain society, but I hope we take pause to recognize how fragile life really is, how small we really are. To paraphrase Aeschylus: when all is well, a mere shadow can ruin it like a wet sponge blotting out a drawing.

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    Well said. Remarkable just how fragile everything is. We are going to come out of this fundamentally changed.
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    One of the more frustrating parts of this whole thing is the lack of data. There is very little good data right now to make any sort of a precise projection on infections/death rate/etc. Even more frustrating are the people who know something about stats, which makes them think they know everything about infectious disease stats. Paul Krugman is definitely one of those as evidenced by this tweet:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    One of the more frustrating parts of this whole thing is the lack of data. There is very little good data right now to make any sort of a precise projection on infections/death rate/etc. Even more frustrating are the people who know something about stats, which makes them think they know everything about infectious disease stats. Paul Krugman is definitely one of those as evidenced by this tweet:

    LOL @ Krugman. Yeah I'm sure Fauci didnt take into account the possibility of exponential growth when he put his estimate out there. Someone should explain that to him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Well said. Remarkable just how fragile everything is. We are going to come out of this fundamentally changed.
    I hope so. At least the right and needed changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    One of the more frustrating parts of this whole thing is the lack of data. There is very little good data right now to make any sort of a precise projection on infections/death rate/etc. Even more frustrating are the people who know something about stats, which makes them think they know everything about infectious disease stats. Paul Krugman is definitely one of those as evidenced by this tweet:

    Fauci didn't explain all the assumptions when he says 100k deaths and millions of cases. It doesn't look like we're on that path when we compare to other countries that are further along than us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Well said. Remarkable just how fragile everything is. We are going to come out of this fundamentally changed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    I hope so. At least the right and needed changes.
    I'm curious. List one or more of these fundamental changes. TIA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    I'm curious. List one or more of these fundamental changes. TIA.
    From now on, when something bad happens, we will be quicker to blame the opposing political party. That should improve our country a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    One of the more frustrating parts of this whole thing is the lack of data. There is very little good data right now to make any sort of a precise projection on infections/death rate/etc. Even more frustrating are the people who know something about stats, which makes them think they know everything about infectious disease stats. Paul Krugman is definitely one of those as evidenced by this tweet:

    Last week, NYC, Westchester, Nassau and Suffolk accounted for around 40-45% of the cases. Now, more numbers are coming in from the commuter areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. If you draw a 40 mile radius around Manhattan, you're going to see around 45-50% of the nationwide cases. I'm not sure how many millions of people we're talking about -- perhaps 19 million? -- I'm not including the entire New York metro area which I guess stretches all the way into Pennsylvania. This is a population around the size of SoCal (LA, Orange, Ventura, Riverside and San Bernadino counties) which has just over 3,000 cases. With the way people have been buckling down throughout almost the rest of the country, I would be surprised if any other area -- other than New Orleans and Summit and Blaine Counties -- to approach NYC's rate.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Also, Seattle is the place where it manifested itself first in this country and they presumably took measures earlier than anyone else. Maybe Walter or SU can mention something about where the trends are up there. It seems like the rest of the country is probably a week or two behind them -- aside from the NYC metro area.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    Also, Seattle is the place where it manifested itself first in this country and they presumably took measures earlier than anyone else. Maybe Walter or SU can mention something about where the trends are up there. It seems like the rest of the country is probably a week or two behind them -- aside from the NYC metro area.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-...11Tjim?ocid=sf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    I'm curious. List one or more of these fundamental changes. TIA.
    Humility for one.

    We've been spared huge epidemics for an unusually long time. Polio was just 2 generations ago. We are not as scientifically advanced as we think we are. This will happen again. The environmental damage by humanity will also make it worse.

    The US is inextricably linked to the rest of the world. We depend on them as much as they depend on us. We are a good nation with great ideals, many of which remain out of reach. We would do well to be humble enough to learn from other countries. Hopefully isolationism as a political philosophy is dead. RIP.

    Human society in general is fragile. Most developed countries are not too far removed from major civil unrest. Any calamity that is prolonged can destabilize any one of them. At least in the US, let's stop playing games and realize that strengthening the safety net for the underprivileged is not socialism, and can help strengthen our country. In other words, medicare for all FTW.

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    Holy crap. What does that say about how it's transmitted? People are contagious within minutes of being exposed?

    In five years when we have all the data, this will make a great movie. Crazy right now. Based on this anecdote, I'm surprised 75% of the entire world doesn't already have it.

    I wonder if there are strands that become much higher contagious than other strands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Humility for one.
    Ha! Good one.


    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    At least in the US, let's stop playing games and realize that strengthening the safety net for the underprivileged is not socialism, and can help strengthen our country. In other words, medicare for all FTW.
    Ha! Another good one.

    Maybe JL will change my mind, but nothing will fundamentally change... this will be but a small bump in the road. There will be a shadow of fear that lingers for maybe a year and there will be small resurgence of FUD during flu season next year. But then it will be largely forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Ha! Good one.




    Ha! Another good one.

    Maybe JL will change my mind, but nothing will fundamentally change... this will be but a small bump in the road. There will be a shadow of fear that lingers for maybe a year and there will be small resurgence of FUD during flu season next year. But then it will be largely forgotten.
    I didn't say this is going to happen. But a guy can hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Maybe JL will change my mind, but nothing will fundamentally change... this will be but a small bump in the road. There will be a shadow of fear that lingers for maybe a year and there will be small resurgence of FUD during flu season next year. But then it will be largely forgotten.
    That would be wonderful, because it means the economy while taking a huge hit, rebounds quickly.

    I am hopeful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Ha! Good one.




    Ha! Another good one.

    Maybe JL will change my mind, but nothing will fundamentally change... this will be but a small bump in the road. There will be a shadow of fear that lingers for maybe a year and there will be small resurgence of FUD during flu season next year. But then it will be largely forgotten.
    Lol. Hard pass on attempting to change your mind on anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Lol. Hard pass on attempting to change your mind on anything.
    Heh. You got nothing old man! Nothing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    I didn't say this is going to happen. But a guy can hope!
    Abandon hope all ye who enter here...

    Well, I think they ought to look at us as a country that understands freedom where it doesn't matter who you are or how you're raised or where you're from, that you can succeed. I don't think they'll look at us with envy. It really depends upon how our nation conducts itself in foreign policy. If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll welcome us. And it's -- our nation stands alone right now in the world in terms of power, and that's why we have to be humble. And yet project strength in a way that promotes freedom. So I don't think they ought to look at us in any way other than what we are. We're a freedom-loving nation and if we're an arrogant nation they'll view us that way, but if we're a humble nation they'll respect us.

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    A handful of the hastily thought out crisis decisions will become the new normal whether they're justified or not just like every other crisis. Hopefully the ones that stick won't be too awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Abandon hope all ye who enter here...
    Not gonna get dragged down into an argument where Pat Buchanan will inevitably rear his head. I'm not talking about the Bush Freedom Ideal of the 2000's. I'm hoping for something more existential that leads to positive change. So that we can as a nation realize what we got wrong with the pandemic, and be humble enough to learn from other countries. And vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    I'm curious. List one or more of these fundamental changes. TIA.
    I think I am with you if you are skeptical this will result in any change. It might lead to more social isolation which won't be a good thing, but as far as preparedness goes there is no way that will be a mobilizing concern for more than a couple of years. We are not a culture that plans. We just aren't.

    Or perhaps I am insulated to some extent so I am not grasping how negatively this is impacting peoples lives- that might be possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    I'm not talking about the Bush Freedom Ideal of the 2000's. I'm hoping for something more existential that leads to positive change. So that we can as a nation realize what we got wrong with the pandemic, and be humble enough to learn from other countries. And vice versa.
    Because the US has a track record of self-reflection after tragedies? like, for example, 9/11?

    By way of a reminder... a handful of Hollywood actors convinced a small (but not unsubstantial) portion of the US population that childhood inoculations are dangerous.
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    i swear, if john prine dies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    i swear, if john prine dies...
    Dammit. I love that guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solon View Post
    Aw hell. Joe Diffie has died of COVID.
    I hope his gravestone has an epitaph written in John Deere green.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/us/jo...rnd/index.html
    So bummed about that.


    IMO, this pandemic is serving up some hefty portions of humble-pie to our hubristic society.
    We can't tell the future; we don't have all of the information; we can't have the answers immediately; we need to respect the aw(e)ful power of Nature. We are not in charge.

    Of course humanity needs to continue to struggle heroically to save lives and maintain society, but I hope we take pause to recognize how fragile life really is, how small we really are. To paraphrase Aeschylus: when all is well, a mere shadow can ruin it like a wet sponge blotting out a drawing.

    </>needle-neck wankering<>
    Both salient and insightful. Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Well said. Remarkable just how fragile everything is. We are going to come out of this fundamentally changed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Humility for one.

    We've been spared huge epidemics for an unusually long time. Polio was just 2 generations ago. We are not as scientifically advanced as we think we are. This will happen again. The environmental damage by humanity will also make it worse.

    The US is inextricably linked to the rest of the world. We depend on them as much as they depend on us. We are a good nation with great ideals, many of which remain out of reach. We would do well to be humble enough to learn from other countries. Hopefully isolationism as a political philosophy is dead. RIP.

    Human society in general is fragile. Most developed countries are not too far removed from major civil unrest. Any calamity that is prolonged can destabilize any one of them. At least in the US, let's stop playing games and realize that strengthening the safety net for the underprivileged is not socialism, and can help strengthen our country. In other words, medicare for all FTW.
    Years ago when we were enrolling our oldest in a Tokyo international school, her Australian teacher remarked how American students seemed to bring a certain confidence with them in about everything they did, whether in the classroom, on the stage, or on the athletic field. She said that was unique to the U.S. I thought about that later that year when a study showed that U.S. high school students scored in the bottom half of international mathmatics test scores, yet scored at the top when asked about how confident they were in their answers. I thought about that again a few years later while walkng to work the week after 9-11. I felt unsettled, even insecure; something I had never felt before as an American overseas.

    America (I'm sure I'm offending Canadians by using that term) has benefited greatly by having two oceans to shield it from a lot of the bad stuff that has happened to the rest of the world. Not this time.

    We shall see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Both salient and insightful. Thank you.





    Years ago when we were enrolling our oldest in a Tokyo international school, her Australian teacher remarked how American students seemed to bring a certain confidence with them in about everything they did, whether in the classroom, on the stage, or on the athletic field. She said that was unique to the U.S. I thought about that later that year when a study showed that U.S. high school students scored in the bottom half of international mathmatics test scores, yet scored at the top when asked about how confident they were in their answers. I thought about that again a few years later while walkng to work the week after 9-11. I felt unsettled, even insecure; something I had never felt before as an American overseas.

    America (I'm sure I'm offending Canadians by using that term) has benefited greatly by having two oceans to shield it from a lot of the bad stuff that has happened to the rest of the world. Not this time.

    We shall see.
    When I first met Mrs. NWC she would always bristle at when a US citizen would refer to 'America' as only the US. I thought it was weird. She's a US citizen now; I wonder if it still bothers her. I'll ask.

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    Canadians fall in to that same boat. i.e. shielded by two oceans.

    The term America(n) never was a big deal where I grew up in Canada. Lots of people use the term. A North Carolinian transplant in my ward had us sing America the Beautiful one Sunday. This was back when we did the practice hymn after sacrament meeting because the hymnbook was new. So she got to get up and explained that she chose it because we were all (North) American.

    I had always heard that South Americans didn't like the US using the term. Don't know if that is true or not though

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    45 people out of 60?

    I don't buy it that no one coughing at that thing. Someone was coughing or Rudy Gobert got to the mandarin oranges offered up as refreshments.
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