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    Jails don't count....
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    Yes.
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    Yes and I am convinced that I could never last a week in a prison.

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    I’ve been in some medieval castles that served as prisons. Otherwise I’ve never been in a modern prison. I’ve had inmates from prison come and see me, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hostile View Post
    I’ve been in some medieval castles that served as prisons. Otherwise I’ve never been in a modern prison. I’ve had inmates from prison come and see me, however.
    Which castles have you been in? I've been told that Eastern Europe has some amazing ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    Which castles have you been in? I've been told that Eastern Europe has some amazing ones.
    Mostly the UK. Castle Rushen on the Isle of Man, Stirling Castle in Scotland, Tower of London. The Bastille in Paris (the site where it was, so not technically inside)
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    I voted no as I assume the poll refers to currently operating prisons, and I've beaten the raps thus far. But I enjoy visiting shuttered prisons, including Eastern State Penitentiary outside of Philly, Kilmainham Gaol in Dublin (featured in several movies) and, of course, Alcatraz. We returned to Alcatraz last week with Parrothead's family, my first time there in nearly 40 years and it was great. They have a very good audio guide that's narrated by former guards and inmates.

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    Does Alcatraz count?
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    I've been in both the Old Idaho Penitentiary and the two currently operating prisons near Boise (one of which was previously owned and operated by a contracted party).
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    I've been in prison once or twice.

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    I took a deposition in prison about 6-7 years ago. It was in a negligent security case where two patrons at a bar had bets riding on opposite sides of the Oklahoma-Florida national championship game (2009? 2010?). The guy who had Oklahoma was being super rowdy and disruptive, and as Oklahoma's situation worsened, so did his mood. The other guy told him to pipe down and they ended up nose to nose for a minute (I think I only watched the bar surveillance footage about 4,000 times). Oklahoma bettor ultimately responds how any rational losing bettor would--by going outside, getting a knife, waiting for the other guy to leave, and then jumping him and stabbing him in the parking lot. The guy bled out and was dead before the ambulance reached the ER.

    The Oklahoma stabber plead guilty and was serving his time in prison when the victim's family brought a suit for negligent security against the bar (essentially alleging that the bar and its security should have done more to prevent the incident--not a bad position, considering the stabber's checkered past and his regular patronage of this particular bar). I got assigned to go to the prison and take the stabber's depo in the civil case. There we sat, court reporter, myself, and the attorney for the other side. We were in the open cafeteria sitting at one of the lunch tables with both the table and the chairs bolted to the ground. Meanwhile, other prison inmates were milling about--no private rooms for depositions at the prison. I had finished getting some of the background info out of the way on the record and were just getting ready to dive into the gory details of the incident, when this guy states that he has a pending appeal. An appeal of a guilty plea? WTF!

    So we take a break and make a few calls and, sure enough, the guy has a pending appeal for ineffective assistance of counsel. Obviously this complicates things, as anything he says in this civil deposition may provide information that could be used against him were he to successfully overturn his plea and be awarded a jury trial. Once advised of this risk, he pleads the fifth as to all details of the subject incident, and the deposition ends.

    So I guess what i'm saying is I spent an hour in prison for a deposition that didn't yield any substantive information. But I guess now I can answer in the affirmative to any polls asking if I have set foot in a prison. So there's that.
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    It's dumb that the lunch room was the best they could come up with.

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    Why exclude jails?
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    Why exclude jails?
    Patience. Gotta leave something for the next poll.

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    I don't remember much about the details or how it was arranged anymore, but I went to the prison in Draper to help with a church service there.

    It was a bit surreal going through various locked doors to get into where the inmates were hanging around. I was mostly an observer - someone else did the speaking.

    It was interesting, but nothing to get super excited about.

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    A city jail, but not a prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    I don't remember much about the details or how it was arranged anymore, but I went to the prison in Draper to help with a church service there.

    It was a bit surreal going through various locked doors to get into where the inmates were hanging around. I was mostly an observer - someone else did the speaking.

    It was interesting, but nothing to get super excited about.
    My dad does this now as one of his callings.
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    Why exclude jails?
    You're most welcome to tell jail stories....
    We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hostile View Post
    Mostly the UK. Castle Rushen on the Isle of Man, Stirling Castle in Scotland, Tower of London. The Bastille in Paris (the site where it was, so not technically inside)
    I've been quite a few castles in Germany as well as a few in Britain
    I've also been a military stockade, but I don't know if that would qualify

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    I played softball on a team that played inside a prison against a couple of inmate teams. They were very appreciative that we came to visit and play. I also umpired softball in a league that included a team of inmates. For the most part, those games were no different than the hundreds of other games I umpired during my college years but I did have one experience that got a little dicey. The game got started on the wrong foot when an inmate accused me of using a "fixed" coin on the coin flip to determine home team. Seems he had never seen a fifty cent piece before and I had to show him that it did not contain heads on both sides and he had to be reassured by his teammates that it was a legitimate coin. Later in the game when some close calls (and some not so close calls) didn't go the inmates way, he started threatening me, telling me that he would hold me responsible. The guards asked me if I wanted him removed from the field (their manager already substituted for him) to wait on the prison bus but I thought it best to let him remain in the dugout. The inmate team came back and won the game and secretly I was glad because I was terrified that I would be "held responsible" if they lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJF View Post
    Does Alcatraz count?
    Wait! I've been to Alcatraz. Should I change my vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R Nelson View Post
    Wait! I've been to Alcatraz. Should I change my vote?
    Was it a prison when you were there? Was it a tourist destination?

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    Yes. The good part about being on death row is that you get your own suite. Nobody is going to stab you in the liver while you're sleeping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Yes. The good part about being on death row is that you get your own suite. Nobody is going to stab you in the liver while you're sleeping.
    Sounds like you're enjoying the accommodations.
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    I think a cool calling would be to minister in a prison branch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    I think a cool calling would be to minister in a prison branch.
    That reminds me. I need to get back with a lady in our ward who is serving there with her husband. She asked me a couple weeks ago about voice lessons for some of the prisoners. My wife is encouraging me, and since I would need an accompanist, I would be bringing her anyhow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    I think a cool calling would be to minister in a prison branch.
    I've heard it's very rewarding. I also people who've helped facilitate 12-step meetings in correctional facilities enjoy it.

    You can always volunteer to help them with life skills or something. I'd thought about volunteering to help county inmates with learning how to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    I think a cool calling would be to minister in a prison branch.
    My parents did that at the youth detention center. One of their favorite callings.
    "You interns are like swallows. You shit all over my patients for six weeks and then fly off."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copelius View Post
    That reminds me. I need to get back with a lady in our ward who is serving there with her husband. She asked me a couple weeks ago about voice lessons for some of the prisoners. My wife is encouraging me, and since I would need an accompanist, I would be bringing her anyhow.
    That would be very cool.

    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    I think a cool calling would be to minister in a prison branch.
    Ministering to those in prison--doesn't get much more Christ-like than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    I think a cool calling would be to minister in a prison branch.
    A good friend of mine and his wife have a five year calling to the Davis County jail. They are among 5 senior couples from our stake. They absolutely love it. They have both Sunday and weekday assignments.
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