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Originally posted by myboynoah View PostBrooks is awesome.
Legit assessment. Talent does not grow on trees. We are better off that this guy is no longer pulling strings across the region.
Trump is a lot of things, but he's not a warmongering idiot. He's very timid when it comes to foreign entanglements. I was surprised that he authorized the Soleimani action.
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I was talking with a friend who served several tours in Afghanistan and Iraq about war with Iran earlier in the week. He mentioned that the only thing Iran has militarily that is impressive is anti aircraft system. The Israeli Air Force is know for flying under the radar and knocking the Whit out of their enemies, so the Iranians have their AAA on a hair trigger. The next day, he texted and said “Buddy at Langley says the Iranians accidentally took down the Ukrainian plane.”Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.
"Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostGive 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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David Brooks must be very proud. The Iraq War he pushed so hard for is old enough to drive.
In a just world, David Brooks would be stripped of his nationally syndicated megaphone and shipped to Iraq and unceremoniously dumped. But, of course, that will not happen... because too many dimwits (that should know better) still believe that "Brooks is awesome".You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View PostDavid Brooks must be very proud. The Iraq War he pushed so hard for is old enough to drive.
In a just world, David Brooks would be stripped of his nationally syndicated megaphone and shipped to Iraq and unceremoniously dumped. But, of course, that will not happen... because too many dimwits (that should know better) still believe that "Brooks is awesome".When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostActually, apparently we're now seeing a collateral benefit of the Iraq war--its deterrent effect had to be part of what caused Iranian to stand down. Iran's leaders know that if they escalated, they'd wind up dead in a matter of weeks. The Iraq war went bad in the nation-building part. The war itself was an astounding success.
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Originally posted by frank ryan View PostOne major source of disappointment for me concerning Obama was his fecklessness when it came to using force. He didn't retaliate against Syria for chemical weapons and he didn't punish Russia for attacking our elections. Trump has also been largely pathetic. His attack on Syria was a coordinated symbol token attack where we bombed a half dozen already broken planes. That said, I think assassinating Soleimani was the wrong move. Iran deserved to get some response from us, but that one represented a serious escalation of hostilities. I'm glad Soleimani's dead, but it's too early to assess its impact. He presents an opportunity to serve Iran as a martyr, and unifying figure. I hope his death does leave the Quds Force in disarray, but we can't bank on it.
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Originally posted by LVAllen View PostCitation frigging needed.
A lot of us are getting super tired of the hypocrisy and Trump Derangement Syndrome. We'll not get rid of Trump this way.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostIf you've not been in a coma you should know that Trump is the first president since Jimmy Carter not to have gotten into a shooting war, like Brooks says. Obama got into a shooting war in Libya and gratuitously killed Gadaffi--without Congress authority--and the democrats were fine with it. Trump is if anything too shy of military conflict and isolationist.
A lot of us are getting super tired of the hypocrisy and Trump Derangement Syndrome. We'll not get rid of Trump this way.
As noted, the Soleimani action surprised me.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Originally posted by frank ryan View PostOne major source of disappointment for me concerning Obama was his fecklessness when it came to using force. He didn't retaliate against Syria for chemical weapons and he didn't punish Russia for attacking our elections. Trump has also been largely pathetic. His attack on Syria was a coordinated symbol token attack where we bombed a half dozen already broken planes. That said, I think assassinating Soleimani was the wrong move. Iran deserved to get some response from us, but that one represented a serious escalation of hostilities. I'm glad Soleimani's dead, but it's too early to assess its impact. He presents an opportunity to serve Iran as a martyr, and unifying figure. I hope his death does leave the Quds Force in disarray, but we can't bank on it.
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Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostActually, apparently we're now seeing a collateral benefit of the Iraq war--its deterrent effect had to be part of what caused Iranian to stand down. Iran's leaders know that if they escalated, they'd wind up dead in a matter of weeks. The Iraq war went bad in the nation-building part. The war itself was an astounding success.
Ladies and gentlemen, SeattleUte.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View PostOther than ...the trillions wasted, ... the thousands of US lives lost, permanently maimed and disfigured, ... the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, injured, or displaced ...the creation of ISIS, ...the nation’s moral standing compromised by its resort to torture, ... it was an astounding success.
Ladies and gentlemen, SeattleUte.
Whenever I see this accounted for, we always include the labor for which we would be paying for any way, and we pay for all maintenance of existing equipment.
I'll use an analogy that is smaller but similar. We often see newspaper claiming how much a trial cost the public. Invariably, we see the judge's and court personnel's salaries included, the cost of the building and everything else. News flash, those people would be paid even if there were no trial. There's no increase to attribute to the trial.
Yes bullets and bombs cost but not trillions."Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View PostOther than ...the trillions wasted, ... the thousands of US lives lost, permanently maimed and disfigured, ... the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, injured, or displaced ...the creation of ISIS, ...the nation’s moral standing compromised by its resort to torture, ... it was an astounding success.
Ladies and gentlemen, SeattleUte.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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