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    A thoughtful, well-considered description of some of the folks who can hijack religion. He also suggests the value of love in religion.

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    Narcissist has become a word without meaning. Based on the official definition, I would assume only small portion of population would qualify as a narcissist. Yet, I think I have never *not* heard someone describe their ex as a narcissist. The new definition of narcissist is someone who sometimes does or says rude things. Or better, someone who sometimes does or says things I don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Narcissist has become a word without meaning. Based on the official definition, I would assume only small portion of population would qualify as a narcissist. Yet, I think I have never *not* heard someone describe their ex as a narcissist. The new definition of narcissist is someone who sometimes does or says rude things. Or better, someone who sometimes does or says things I don't like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Narcissist has become a word without meaning. Based on the official definition, I would assume only small portion of population would qualify as a narcissist. Yet, I think I have never *not* heard someone describe their ex as a narcissist. The new definition of narcissist is someone who sometimes does or says rude things. Or better, someone who sometimes does or says things I don't like.
    Everyone's ex is now a narcissistic porn addict. Narcissism is a legit personality disorder, but you are right that the vast majority of these alleged narcissists do not have a personality disorder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    A thoughtful, well-considered description of some of the folks who can hijack religion. He also suggests the value of love in religion.

    He could just substitute ideology for religion and broaden the reach of the message. I know many Mormons who are ideologically possessed where the narcissistic "ingredients" described are readily apparent. He nearly describes D&C 121 as the antidote. Humility is key. We definitely have the problem of interpreted revelation used as a solid platform from which to judge the world. It's definitely not unique to religion, substitute wokeness for religiosity and it's the same narcissistic paradigm used as a cudgel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Narcissist has become a word without meaning. Based on the official definition, I would assume only small portion of population would qualify as a narcissist. Yet, I think I have never *not* heard someone describe their ex as a narcissist. The new definition of narcissist is someone who sometimes does or says rude things. Or better, someone who sometimes does or says things I don't like.
    I understand where you are coming from, but this guy is not using the term casually. He's a well-respected, published clinician, and he's not saying hordes of people have NPD.

    Did you watch the video?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    I understand where you are coming from, but this guy is not using the term casually. He's a well-respected, published clinician, and he's not saying hordes of people have NPD.

    Did you watch the video?
    Didn't care enough to watch the video. I just wanted to complain about the word narcissist. Am I gaslighting you right now??

    Just kidding. What he says in the video should be common sense. It's too bad everyone doesn't have that perspective. It's tricky with religion where you think absolute truth is involved. If absolute truth about God and religion exists, then it would be pretty important. You might even sound like a narcissist if you believed it strong enough and were serious about helping others believe and conform to it. But then if you did have absolute truth about God, maybe you *should* take it seriously enough that you would be perceived as a narcissist by others.

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    These types of discussions now seem so quaint and needless. We are facing a religion much more dangerous than Christianity--socialism. Indeed, religion may be what ultimately is saving us from the abyss. Religion and corporations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    We are facing a religion much more dangerous than Christianity--socialism.
    Can you remind me which political candidates are advocating for the nationalization of Walmart? I left my tinfoil hat at home.
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    Weird convergence with SU and Ezra Benson going on here. Which alternative timeline is this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Can you remind me which political candidates are advocating for the nationalization of Walmart? I left my tinfoil hat at home.
    Maxine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Can you remind me which political candidates are advocating for the nationalization of Walmart? I left my tinfoil hat at home.
    AOC said two days ago that capitalism is "irredeemable." So the question now becomes what is a world like without capitalism? I have heard many times that capitalism is evil, a dirty word. Okay. So what is the world like without it? We have a lot of examples, don't we.

    This is how to respond to leftist fantasies. Okay, what will happen if suddenly there are no capitalism or fossil fuels? What would the world be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Weird convergence with SU and Ezra Benson going on here. Which alternative timeline is this?
    I love SU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Can you remind me which political candidates are advocating for the nationalization of Walmart? I left my tinfoil hat at home.
    You are the archetypical BS supporter who gave us Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    You are the archetypical BS supporter who gave us Trump.


    I'm an anyone-but-Trump supporter... that's the bar for me in 2020. If that is BS or the other old white guy or Warren or the lei-wearing Gabbard or whoever, I'm in.

    Your redefinition of "socialism" is a fun game you like to play, which you then use as a cudgel indiscriminately. As a student of your posts and a great admirer, I expect more nuance from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post


    I'm an anyone-but-Trump supporter... that's the bar for me in 2020. If that is BS or the other old white guy or Warren or the lei-wearing Gabbard or whoever, I'm in.

    Your redefinition of "socialism" is a fun game you like to play, which you then use as a cudgel indiscriminately. As a student of your posts and a great admirer, I expect more nuance from you.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...s-irredeemable
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    Yeesh. She is such a knucklehead.

    It is crap like that that might give us four more years of Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Yeesh. She is such a knucklehead.

    It is crap like that that might give us four more years of Trump.

    As I have said before, I don't think she is inherently stupid, but I think she is very young intellectually and certainly not very smart practically. She reminds me of someone who has done well in college in some non-stem topic learning from a bunch of lazy socialist or communist professors and suddenly finds herself in front of all these microphones and just cant wait to show all the really very clever (but ultimately moronic) things she thinks she knows.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    As I have said before, I don't think she is inherently stupid, but I think she is very young intellectually and certainly not very smart practically. She reminds me of someone who has done well in college in some non-stem topic learning from a bunch of lazy socialist or communist professors and suddenly finds herself in front of all these microphones and just cant wait to show all the really very clever (but ultimately moronic) things she thinks she knows.
    I think she’s just dumb. Occam’s razor.

    But the most appalling thing is the press. How many democrats are there in Congress? I think the House added 62. And all the press wants to talk about are the three nitwits. Most of the new democrates are moderates who were elected in traditaionlly moderate or conservative districts in reaction to Trump. JL is right. The democrats are doing their best to blow it when Trump is so beatable.
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    Lol. A couple old white guys making fun of the brown girl for being dumb. But it’s the media’s fault for giving her attention. No credit can be given to her! So cliche. Reminds me of the smug libs patting themselves on the back as they remind each other that they’re smarter than the billionaire in the Oval Office.

    Got news for you two. She has more power and influence than either of you will ever have. She’s a Congresswoman at 28 years old and understands how to turn the national conversation better than anyone in her party, only bested by the President on the other side.

    Now I certainly disagree with her on policy, which is disastrous. But I respect her accomplishments and fear her trajectory. She’s not going away and the GOP better figure out a better approach than insults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post


    I'm an anyone-but-Trump supporter... that's the bar for me in 2020. If that is BS or the other old white guy or Warren or the lei-wearing Gabbard or whoever, I'm in.

    Your redefinition of "socialism" is a fun game you like to play, which you then use as a cudgel indiscriminately. As a student of your posts and a great admirer, I expect more nuance from you.
    nobody believes you because you love Trump so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    nobody believes you because you love Trump so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Lol. A couple old white guys making fun of the brown girl for being dumb. But it’s the media’s fault for giving her attention. No credit can be given to her! So cliche. Reminds me of the smug libs patting themselves on the back as they remind each other that they’re smarter than the billionaire in the Oval Office.

    Got news for you two. She has more power and influence than either of you will ever have. She’s a Congresswoman at 28 years old and understands how to turn the national conversation better than anyone in her party, only bested by the President on the other side.

    Now I certainly disagree with her on policy, which is disastrous. But I respect her accomplishments and fear her trajectory. She’s not going away and the GOP better figure out a better approach than insults.
    Who are you arguing with? I never said I had more power than her. And elsewhere I have lauded her achievement which I think is very impressive for her age. I do not fear HER trajectory at all. She is the symptom, not the disease. Nonetheless, she says incredibly stupid things again and again.

    But thanks for giving me the news. You’re always helpful like that.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Lol. A couple old white guys making fun of the brown girl for being dumb. But it’s the media’s fault for giving her attention. No credit can be given to her! So cliche. Reminds me of the smug libs patting themselves on the back as they remind each other that they’re smarter than the billionaire in the Oval Office.

    Got news for you two. She has more power and influence than either of you will ever have. She’s a Congresswoman at 28 years old and understands how to turn the national conversation better than anyone in her party, only bested by the President on the other side.

    Now I certainly disagree with her on policy, which is disastrous. But I respect her accomplishments and fear her trajectory. She’s not going away and the GOP better figure out a better approach than insults.


    Super weird response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Lol. A couple old white guys making fun of the brown girl for being dumb. But it’s the media’s fault for giving her attention. No credit can be given to her! So cliche. Reminds me of the smug libs patting themselves on the back as they remind each other that they’re smarter than the billionaire in the Oval Office.

    Got news for you two. She has more power and influence than either of you will ever have. She’s a Congresswoman at 28 years old and understands how to turn the national conversation better than anyone in her party, only bested by the President on the other side.

    Now I certainly disagree with her on policy, which is disastrous. But I respect her accomplishments and fear her trajectory. She’s not going away and the GOP better figure out a better approach than insults.
    None of this impresses me. Sorry. Just being honest. Member of the HOR? Not impressed. The only thing I'll say is that she's a creation of those who generate the national conversation. Not vice versa. And they'll ditch her as soon as she stops being a suitable emblem. If people really took her seriously she wouldn't survive saying things like "Good, now we get to keep $3 billion that was going to Amazon."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Can you remind me which political candidates are advocating for the nationalization of Walmart? I left my tinfoil hat at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    None of this impresses me. Sorry. Just being honest. Member of the HOR? Not impressed. The only thing I'll say is that she's a creation of those who generate the national conversation. Not vice versa. And they'll ditch her as soon as she stops being a suitable emblem. If people really took her seriously she wouldn't survive saying things like "Good, now we get to keep $3 billion that was going to Amazon."
    I agree with your assessment that the failed religion of socialism is our biggest challenge. AOC is a creation of the media, and they will abandon her if she doesn't have staying power or for the newest flavor. But she's in a district, with more than 80% registered Democrats who can stay in office, like Maxine Waters, for life. The socialism wave is what we should fear and anybody who is at the forefront of the wave will be powerful and a concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    I agree with your assessment that the failed religion of socialism is our biggest challenge.
    Biggest challenge to what? Fiscal responsibility?

    We've made Islamophobia the cornerstone of our foreign policy for the last two decades and have wasted trillions of dollars on foreign wars. Essentially, the largest welfare system in the world today is run by the Pentagon but yet something BS uttered in the 1970s and a young uppity Latina are our "biggest challenge". Are you sure your parents didn't bribe someone to get you in to law school?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    None of this impresses me. Sorry. Just being honest. Member of the HOR? Not impressed. The only thing I'll say is that she's a creation of those who generate the national conversation. Not vice versa. And they'll ditch her as soon as she stops being a suitable emblem. If people really took her seriously she wouldn't survive saying things like "Good, now we get to keep $3 billion that was going to Amazon."
    She seems to be a media darling at the moment. But, I don't see her going anywhere anytime soon, except maybe the Senate. Young people dig her, and they are legion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    She seems to be a media darling at the moment. But, I don't see her going anywhere anytime soon, except maybe the Senate. Young people dig her, and they are legion.
    The media hated Trump, but they could not stop themselves from giving him unbelievable air time. Unbelievably, he became POTUS. When Trump announced his candidacy, a friend expressed his grave concern that he might become president. I assured him that it was highly unlikely that he would.

    No dem can get any air time right now because the three freshman hard left wackos get all of the coverage. Does anyone know what Pelosi or Schumer have to say about anything right now? Most of the dem candidates were quick to jump on the AOC green idiocy. Mass shooting in NZ, what did AOC have to say about it. Just because of the coverage they get, these three are actually controlling real power. This is becoming Trump 2.0 and it is scary.
    One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.

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