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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Agree.

    The left says nothing about the horribly violent, misogynystic and evil practices of many Muslims throughout the world (in the name of tolerance?) and then criticizes Israel for comparatively way less. The Dems are definitely the party of anti-semites.
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    This posts deserves so many oh, brothers. But I've already oh brothered a post in this thread, so I'm going to defer.
    I understand you may not want to take the time to argue this, and maybe I'm just too dense to understand the obvious, but I hate dismissive posts that leave me in suspense. I'm have no an opinion on the second sentence, but it seems the bolded sentence is certainly true. Why do you disagree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    I understand you may not want to take the time to argue this, and maybe I'm just too dense to understand the obvious, but I hate dismissive posts that leave me in suspense. I'm have no an opinion on the second sentence, but it seems the bolded sentence is certainly true. Why do you disagree?
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    My guess, not knowing her, is that her words are not necessarily an intentional, sublimal return to Protocols-like references, but the result of her upbringing. I've known a lot of super awesome, American Muslims who were raised to think poorly of Israel and Judaism in the same sort of way that Mormons of my vintage were brought up to think gay people were basically the worst people on earth (disclaimer: if you weren't raised that way, congrats!).

    I think it's more likely than not that she's borrowing concepts she's heard her whole life, not realizing the generations of baggage behind those concepts. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think ironically enough that the backlash she's experiencing is likely fueled by America's intense islamaphobia. The Democrats are right to provide correction, but inferences that she's on an Anti-Zionist crusade or is part of pandemic anti-Semitism seem like knee-jerk reactions to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    My guess, not knowing her, is that her words are not necessarily an intentional, sublimal return to Protocols-like references, but the result of her upbringing. I've known a lot of super awesome, American Muslims who were raised to think poorly of Israel and Judaism in the same sort of way that Mormons of my vintage were brought up to think gay people were basically the worst people on earth (disclaimer: if you weren't raised that way, congrats!).

    I think it's more likely than not that she's borrowing concepts she's heard her whole life, not realizing the generations of baggage behind those concepts. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think ironically enough that the backlash she's experiencing is likely fueled by America's intense islamaphobia. The Democrats are right to provide correction, but inferences that she's on an Anti-Zionist crusade or is part of an pandemic anti-Semitism seem like knee-jerk reactions to me.
    Ha. You know you are really stretching things when you immediately attach a disclaimer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    My guess, not knowing her, is that her words are not necessarily an intentional, sublimal return to Protocols-like references, but the result of her upbringing. I've known a lot of super awesome, American Muslims who were raised to think poorly of Israel and Judaism in the same sort of way that Mormons of my vintage were brought up to think gay people were basically the worst people on earth (disclaimer: if you weren't raised that way, congrats!).

    I think it's more likely than not that she's borrowing concepts she's heard her whole life, not realizing the generations of baggage behind those concepts. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think ironically enough that the backlash she's experiencing is likely fueled by America's intense islamaphobia. The Democrats are right to provide correction, but inferences that she's on an Anti-Zionist crusade or is part of pandemic anti-Semitism seem like knee-jerk reactions to me.
    Condescending, hypocritical, patronizing leftists need to stop treating Ilhan Omar like she's an idiot. She's a very intelligent person who has accomplished amazing things. There is much about her that I like and admire. The fact we have someone like her in our national legislature makes me love this country even more. But she knows what's she's doing with her anti-Semitism, like Brett Stephens notes. There is no basis for defending, tolerating or issuing apologetics for what she's doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Condescending, hypocritical, patronizing leftists need to stop treating Ilhan Omar like she's an idiot. She's a very intelligent person who has accomplished amazing things. There is much about her that I like and admire. The fact we have someone like her in our national legislature makes me love this country even more. But she knows what's she's doing with her anti-Semitism, like Brett Stephens notes. There is no basis for defending, tolerating or issuing apologetics for what she's doing.
    The thing is, Stephens doesn't actually argue in his op ed that she knows exactly what she's doing. I read those words in the byline, but I don't see him adequately support that assertion in the article otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Ha. You know you are really stretching things when you immediately attach a disclaimer.
    It's more of a "I don't want to have this argument here. It's already being argued in one thread currently and has been argued in multiple threads historically."
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    Incoming Walter post railing against Bret Stephens in 3,2,1...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Incoming Walter post railing against Bret Stephens in 3,2,1...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    lolz. The Internet is hard.

    I think one tweet with less than 1,500 likes is less than adequate evidence that Cardiac's statement is true. I realize that anti-Israel isn't necessarily anti-semitism, but there certainly seems to be a lot of criticism of Israel, and relatively little support, on the left and by the media. They definitely appear to be held to a higher standard than Muslim countries. If not, I'm open to seeing where I'm drawing incorrect conclusions, but if so, why the different standards?

    And to be fair, Republicans seem to be the opposite. They never fail to call out Muslim atrocities and they hardly ever criticize Israel.

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    This looks like a pretty big political opening for the right. All they really need to do to take advantage is stay firm in their support for Israel while the dems fight.

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    In a recent panel discussion, she suggested that pro-Israel political groups in Washington “push allegiance to a foreign country,” seeming to echo the classically anti-Semitic allegation that Jews are more loyal to other Jews or to Israel than to the United States.
    But groups that push a pro-Israel agenda and target the Jewish community in the U.S. do exist. Some of them are very Zionist in their messaging and where they send their funds. Are we being anti-Semitic in saying so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    But groups that push a pro-Israel agenda and target the Jewish community in the U.S. do exist. Some of them are very Zionist in their messaging and where they send their funds. Are we being anti-Semitic in saying so?
    Nope. Also, Israel can S a D as far as their treatment of Palestinians goes. It sucks that I support that bullshit with my tax dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Nope. Also, Israel can S a D as far as their treatment of Palestinians goes. It sucks that I support that bullshit with my tax dollars.
    I think that’s exactly where mbn was going with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    But groups that push a pro-Israel agenda and target the Jewish community in the U.S. do exist. Some of them are very Zionist in their messaging and where they send their funds. Are we being anti-Semitic in saying so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    I think that’s exactly where mbn was going with that.
    lol

    Not quite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    But groups that push a pro-Israel agenda and target the Jewish community in the U.S. do exist. Some of them are very Zionist in their messaging and where they send their funds. Are we being anti-Semitic in saying so?
    only if you're liberal.

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    But groups that push a pro-Israel agenda and target the Jewish community in the U.S. do exist. Some of them are very Zionist in their messaging and where they send their funds. Are we being anti-Semitic in saying so?
    Nobody is saying that.
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    32 of 34 Jewish Congresspeople are Democrats, and 75 percent of Jewish people vote democrat. This whole thread, especially the title is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    This whole thread, especially the title is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    32 of 34 Jewish Congresspeople are Democrats, and 75 percent of Jewish people vote democrat. This whole thread, especially the title is ridiculous.
    If the left continues to pander to anti-Semites this will not continue. Jews are typically moderate democrats. See Bloomberg, Schultz. The exception is Bernie Sanders, and he's more someone who has Jewish heritage than who currently identifies himself as Jewish; he's supported Hamas (as well as other horribles including the Soviet Union, Cuba and socialist Venezuela). Leiberman condemned Ilhan Omar's comments. Jews tend to be pro-business and sympathetic to Israel though at times critical of Netanyahu, and probably a majority of American Jews support a two-state solution. All Jews except Bernie Sanders (if you can call him a Jew) bristled at Ilhan Omar's comments. (Indeed, you're not well advised to criticize Israel around your Jewish friends. Why? because ardent criticism of Israel, the most enlightened country in the Middle East, so often is an indicator of underlying anti-Semitism.)
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/b...c-cartoon.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/o...n-nytimes.html

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    In an interview on CNN on Monday, Jonathan Greenblatt, chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, called the cartoon “propaganda.” He said, “It would not have surprised me if this had come from Tehran or Damascus, but it does not belong in the New York Times or any other credible news organization. It’s unacceptable anywhere.”
    The NY Times had to issue two apologies because the first one was so weak and defensive only elicited more outrage. The NY Times is not really sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/b...c-cartoon.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/o...n-nytimes.html





    The NY Times had to issue two apologies because the first one was so weak and defensive only elicited more outrage. The NY Times is not really sorry.


    How about the right-wing shooter at the synagogue who also burned the mosque? He wasn't left wing, and he wasn't influenced by the congresswoman's remarks. When are GOP politicians going to call themselves out anti-Muslim remarks, or anti-Semetic remarks for that matter.

    And yes, that cartoon was gross. But worse than that floats around on the Twitter feeds of right-wing VIPs with none of your outrage. Then, there is the flirting the conspiracy theorists and holocast deniers.

    https://theintercept.com/2019/02/15/...anti-semitism/

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    How about the right-wing shooter at the synagogue who also burned the mosque? He wasn't left wing, and he wasn't influenced by the congresswoman's remarks. When are GOP politicians going to call themselves out anti-Muslim remarks, or anti-Semetic remarks for that matter.

    And yes, that cartoon was gross. But worse than that floats around on the Twitter feeds of right-wing VIPs with none of your outrage. Then, there is the flirting the conspiracy theorists and holocast deniers.

    https://theintercept.com/2019/02/15/...anti-semitism/
    No shit, Sherlock. Right-wing anti-Semitism is evil and a growing problem.
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    However, Rep. King was actually censured and stripped of all of his committees by Republicans. What else should they do? I'm asking seriously. I'm waiting for Democrats to take similar action against anti-Semites in their party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    How about the right-wing shooter at the synagogue who also burned the mosque? He wasn't left wing, and he wasn't influenced by the congresswoman's remarks. When are GOP politicians going to call themselves out anti-Muslim remarks, or anti-Semetic remarks for that matter.

    And yes, that cartoon was gross. But worse than that floats around on the Twitter feeds of right-wing VIPs with none of your outrage. Then, there is the flirting the conspiracy theorists and holocast deniers.

    https://theintercept.com/2019/02/15/...anti-semitism/
    Yeah, the timing of the NYTimes was perfect on that cartoon... what a bunch of dumbasses.

    How about this latest synagogue shooter? Apparently he is not a drumpf fanboy...

    The shooter claims in the Q-and-A section to eschew political ideology, saying he does not support Donald Trump because of his support for Israel. The writer also complains that conservatives aren't violent enough in support of their politics.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...agogue-n999211

    Apparently, he called Drumpf a "Zionist, Jew-loving, anti-White, traitorous cocksucker". Given that Drumpf is orange most the time I guess it is accurate. Does this make Drumpf not right-wing since they obviously don't like him?
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