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    Default Rampant anti-semitism on the left

    This reckoning on the left is long overdue. Ant-Semitism has wrecked the women's march in New York, the British labor party, etc. It goes on and on.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-semitism-jews
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    Rampant? lol. How would you describe the anti-semitism on the right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Rampant? lol. How would you describe the anti-semitism on the right?
    Don’t be soft in the head. That is not even worthy of debate. Anti-semitism on the right is vile. But it’s clearly more numerous and insidious on the left. Anti-semitism on the right would have no traction—the province of neo-nazi skinhead nuts who are small in number—if the mainstream media did not love to give them a platform. The problem with anti-semitism on the left is that it’s been tolerated even mainstreamed by the democrats, labor party, women’s march in New York, etc. The mitigating factor for Ilham Omar is that she’s received confusing mixed messages from her party and other constituents. Only now, is the left doing anything to stem this disgrace. Actually, the outside neo-Nazis the right is very supportive of Jews and Israel, as you of all people should know.
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    Is this because of her questioning AIPAC? I find those questions legitimate- that's a lobby that's had a profound effect on American foreign policy for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Is this because of her questioning AIPAC? I find those questions legitimate- that's a lobby that's had a profound effect on American foreign policy for decades.
    No. It’s not because she has criticized AIPAC. Maybe now that almost the entire Democratic Party has condemned her comments as bigotry you should figure out what’s going on before writing anything more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Don’t be soft in the head. That is not even worthy of debate. Anti-semitism on the right is vile. But it’s clearly more numerous and insidious on the left. Anti-semitism on the right would have no traction—the province of neo-nazi skinhead nuts who are small in number—if the mainstream media did not love to give them a platform. The problem with anti-semitism on the left is that it’s been tolerated even mainstreamed by the democrats, labor party, women’s march in New York, etc. The mitigating factor for Ilham Omar is that she’s received confusing mixed messages from her party and other constituents. Only now, is the left doing anything to stem this disgrace. Actually, the outside neo-Nazis the right is very supportive of Jews and Israel, as you of all people should know.
    It's like you didn't even read the article you linked to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Don’t be soft in the head. That is not even worthy of debate. Anti-semitism on the right is vile. But it’s clearly more numerous and insidious on the left. Anti-semitism on the right would have no traction—the province of neo-nazi skinhead nuts who are small in number—if the mainstream media did not love to give them a platform. The problem with anti-semitism on the left is that it’s been tolerated even mainstreamed by the democrats, labor party, women’s march in New York, etc. The mitigating factor for Ilham Omar is that she’s received confusing mixed messages from her party and other constituents. Only now, is the left doing anything to stem this disgrace. Actually, the outside neo-Nazis the right is very supportive of Jews and Israel, as you of all people should know.
    I know you are not saying this, but the bolded makes it seem as if you are conflating anti-semitism with objection to Israeli policy. Reasonable people can differ about if Israeli policy is correct/right/etc.

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    SU continues to channel Il Pad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    I know you are not saying this, but the bolded makes it seem as if you are conflating anti-semitism with objection to Israeli policy. Reasonable people can differ about if Israeli policy is correct/right/etc.
    Oh brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    I know you are not saying this, but the bolded makes it seem as if you are conflating anti-semitism with objection to Israeli policy. Reasonable people can differ about if Israeli policy is correct/right/etc.

    Criticism of Israel turns into antisemitism when tropes are deployed such as American support for Israel is bought with Jewish money, AIPC and Israel conspire with American Jews to gain American support for Israel, and so on. These are things that fascists and other antisemites have said for decades. This kind of talk can turn deadly when people are looking for a scape goat for their misfortunes. This really isn’t complicated. Nor does anyone disagree that Ilhan Omar’s and other leftists’ comments such as these are antisemitic. Some say that the reason antismeitism on the left is tolerated is because many on the left don’t regard Jews as sufficiently disadvantaged to deserve to be protected from bigotry.

    Moreover, it isn’t tue that money is a factor here. Americans have plenty of good substantive reasons to support Isreal that are pragmatic and cultural. For one thing, Israel’s democracy isn’t perfect, but it’s a democracy, and Muslims are freer there than anywhere else in the Middle East. AIPAC is entitled to lobby for its interest, like the cardboard box industry, and spends less money doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Nor does anyone disagree that Ilhan Omar’s and other leftists’ comments such as these are antisemitic.
    Oh brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Criticism of Israel turns into antisemitism when tropes are deployed such as American support for Israel is bought with Jewish money,
    How is that different than Kevin McCarthy in his tweet that was quoted in the article saying the money from rich Jewish people like Soros, Steyer, Bloomberg "buy" elections in the US? He's not extreme. He's mainstream in the GOP today. Just a coincidence he only mentioned rich donors who happen to be Jewish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Oh brother.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/o...-omar.amp.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    How is that different than Kevin McCarthy in his tweet that was quoted in the article saying the money from rich Jewish people like Soros, Steyer, Bloomberg "buy" elections in the US? He's not extreme. He's mainstream in the GOP today. Just a coincidence he only mentioned Jewish people?
    Mccarthy’s tweet is anti Semitic. I am not a Republican. But this problem is more prevalent among democrats.
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    "Everything I have heard from her leads me to conclude that she dislikes Aipac because [...] she does not really believe the Jewish people have a right to an independent state in their ancestral homeland."

    Friedman does not cite any evidence to support this assertion... other than she supports BDS?! Give me a break.

    Friedman is overreaching here, as is the Dem Congressional leadership, because they are trying to make this about religion instead of about corruption in government (ours and Israel's).

    And Friedman and the Dems (and perhaps you?) are doing this for disingenuous reasons. What a sham. You should be ashamed for piling on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    "Everything I have heard from her leads me to conclude that she dislikes Aipac because [...] she does not really believe the Jewish people have a right to an independent state in their ancestral homeland."

    Friedman does not cite any evidence to support this assertion... other than she supports BDS?! Give me a break.

    Friedman is overreaching here, as is the Dem Congressional leadership, because they are trying to make this about religion instead of about corruption in government (ours and Israel's).

    And Friedman and the Dems (and perhaps you?) are doing this for disingenuous reasons. What a sham. You should be ashamed for piling on.
    A Pat Buchanan fanboi shouldn't be given any credibility on the topic of anti-semitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    No. It’s not because she has criticized AIPAC. Maybe now that almost the entire Democratic Party has condemned her comments as bigotry you should figure out what’s going on before writing anything more.
    I get the sense you don't acquit yourself nearly as well as you think you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    A Pat Buchanan fanboi shouldn't be given any credibility on the topic of anti-semitism.
    Yes, Ilhan Omar and Patrick Buchanan have said exactly the same thing. And this highlights another distinction between right and left. Anti-semitism on the right has been identified and condemned by republicans as well by democrats, whereas democrats have ignored and aplogized for antisemitism in their own midst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    No. It’s not because she has criticized AIPAC. Maybe now that almost the entire Democratic Party has condemned her comments as bigotry you should figure out what’s going on before writing anything more.
    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Yes, Ilhan Omar and Patrick Buchanan have said exactly the same thing. And this highlights another distinction between right and left. Anti-semitism on the right has been identified and condemned by republicans as well by democrats, whereas democrats have ignored and aplogized for antisemitism in their own midst.
    I don't follow the anti-Semitic literature like you all, but these two comments seem to be contradictory.

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    yikes, su the islamophobe. who knew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    I don't follow the anti-Semitic literature like you all, but these two comments seem to be contradictory.
    Professor, Do you know the difference between present tense and past tense?

    Moreover, there are some like AOC that still issue apologetics for the left's anti-Semitism or deny it. That's why I said almost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    yikes, su the islamophobe. who knew.
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    SU if soft in the head if he thinks republicans have proactively rooted out all vestiges of anti-semestism. Sheesh look at Jim Jordan’s tweet. SU is cosplaying as Il Pad
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    SU is soft in the head
    Earlier SU stated Israel is a "democracy". :chortles:

    Israel has single-payer healthcare because Israelis believe basic healthcare is a fundamental right. Health insurance organizations in Israel are run as not-for-profit organizations and are prohibited by law from denying any Israeli resident membership.

    Israel also subsidizes post-secondary education at any of its public universities to the tune of 90%.

    That's the kind of socialism that would make Bernie Sanders blush. SU is dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Earlier SU stated Israel is a "democracy". :chortles:

    Israel has single-payer healthcare because Israelis believe basic healthcare is a fundamental right. Health insurance organizations in Israel are run as not-for-profit organizations and are prohibited by law from denying any Israeli resident membership.

    Israel also subsidizes post-secondary education at any of its public universities to the tune of 90%.

    That's the kind of socialism that would make Bernie Sanders blush. SU is dumb.
    so if a nation decides to support single payer healthcare then we can know, without any other information, that it is not a democracy? I learn something every day here!
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    so if a nation decides to support single payer healthcare then we can know, without any other information, that it is not a democracy? I learn something every day here!
    You obviously aren't a student of SU's rants against "socialism".
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    #standwithilhan

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Criticism of Israel turns into antisemitism when tropes are deployed such as American support for Israel is bought with Jewish money, AIPC and Israel conspire with American Jews to gain American support for Israel, and so on. These are things that fascists and other antisemites have said for decades. This kind of talk can turn deadly when people are looking for a scape goat for their misfortunes. This really isn’t complicated. Nor does anyone disagree that Ilhan Omar’s and other leftists’ comments such as these are antisemitic. Some say that the reason antismeitism on the left is tolerated is because many on the left don’t regard Jews as sufficiently disadvantaged to deserve to be protected from bigotry.

    Moreover, it isn’t tue that money is a factor here. Americans have plenty of good substantive reasons to support Isreal that are pragmatic and cultural. For one thing, Israel’s democracy isn’t perfect, but it’s a democracy, and Muslims are freer there than anywhere else in the Middle East. AIPAC is entitled to lobby for its interest, like the cardboard box industry, and spends less money doing so.
    Agree.

    The left says nothing about the horribly violent, misogynystic and evil practices of many Muslims throughout the world (in the name of tolerance?) and then criticizes Israel for comparatively way less. The Dems are definitely the party of anti-semites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Agree.

    The left says nothing about the horribly violent, misogynystic and evil practices of many Muslims throughout the world (in the name of tolerance?) and then criticizes Israel for comparatively way less. The Dems are definitely the party of anti-semites.
    This posts deserves so many oh, brothers. But I've already oh brothered a post in this thread, so I'm going to defer.
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