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    The 2019 season is just around the corner. BYU plays Ohio State on Thursday at the Fieldhouse; so a high quality non-conference match that could matter for NCAA tournament seeding right out of the gate (and Ohio State has already played a couple of matches)

    So here is a bit of a preview of the season:

    Projected starting lineup (this is the lineup they used in the Alumni game on Saturday):


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    Cyrus Fa'alogo            6-4   Jr      OH
    Davide Gardini            6-9   Fr      OH
    Gabi Garcia-FernandeZ     6-7   So     Opp
    Miki Jauhiainen           6-8   Jr      MB
    Felipe de Brito Ferreira  6-9   So      MB
    Will Stanley              6-4   Jr  Setter
    Zack Hendrickson          6-0   So     Lib
    Key losses from the last year:

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    Brenden Sander           6-4       OH
    Leo Durkin               6-4   Setter
    Price Jarmin             6-9       MB
    Assessment of the losses and their replacements

    Brenden Sander is probably the biggest loss in an absolute sense, but this loss is mitigated well (at least in expectation) by the arrival of Davide Gardini. He is a very talented player from Italy (his father is one of the best middle blockers in the history of the game). Not only is he a very tall OH, but he looks long for his size. He can definitely go over the top of defenders given his length. I don't worry about Gardini offensively. He looked impressive in the alumni game; the question (as it is for most really tall OHs) is how well he holds up in serve receive.

    Durkin is a big loss. On the other hand, I've generally thought the Stanley was the more talented setter. We will see how is steps up. Can he get consistently good location to the pin hitters? Once again, I think BYU has really talented pins. If Stanley plays reasonably well, BYU will be very good offensively (maybe better than anyone besides Long Beach). Stanley does have a nice jump spin so he does have more serving upside than Durkin too.

    BYU lost Jarmin in the middle, but I expect BYU to be better in the middle than last year. Mostly because Felipe de Brito Ferreira is so talented, and should now be fully comfortable in the system. Miki is a solid middle; I would say equal to Jarmin defensively but not quite as good on the offensive end as Jarmin.

    This year's Gabi versus last year's Gabi. I do think BYU needs more out of Gabi to really compete for a championship. He's was very solid last year. No doubt he's an elite server. But I think he needs to be more efficient. I don't think he'll every give BYU Patch level efficiency, but it would be nice if he could give BYU plus 0.300 hitting efficiency this year.


    Players that could get time -> Storm for sure. If either of the OHs (Gardini or Cyrus struggle), you'll see storm early in the season. Tim Baldwin was the biggest OH recruit besides Gardini. Will we see him later in the season? I'm skeptical. Cyrus is BYU's passing/good hands OH. I'm skeptical that he gets overtaken this season. At middle bocker, I do think Oberender will get some time. He redshirted last year. He is shorter than Miki and Ferreira, but he does have one advantage over those two: he's got a jump spin. If BYU wants to go junp-spin heavy and use less floats we might see Oberender.

    My bottom line: BYU is strong where they usually are strong: pin hitters and good blocking middles. Keys: Stanley at setter and Hendrickson at libero. You don't need elite play from either, but they do need to be solid. The closer either of those get to being elite, the more of a legit title chance BYU has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    The 2019 season is just around the corner. BYU plays Ohio State on Thursday at the Fieldhouse; so a high quality non-conference match that could matter for NCAA tournament seeding right out of the gate (and Ohio State has already played a couple of matches)

    So here is a bit of a preview of the season:

    Projected starting lineup (this is the lineup they used in the Alumni game on Saturday):


    Code:
    Cyrus Fa'alogo            6-4   Jr      OH
    Davide Gardini            6-9   Fr      OH
    Gabi Garcia-FernandeZ     6-7   So     Opp
    Miki Jauhiainen           6-8   Jr      MB
    Felipe de Brito Ferreira  6-9   So      MB
    Will Stanley              6-4   Jr  Setter
    Zack Hendrickson          6-0   So     Lib
    Key losses from the last year:

    Code:
    Brenden Sander           6-4       OH
    Leo Durkin               6-4   Setter
    Price Jarmin             6-9       MB
    Assessment of the losses and their replacements

    Brenden Sander is probably the biggest loss in an absolute sense, but this loss is mitigated well (at least in expectation) by the arrival of Davide Gardini. He is a very talented player from Italy (his father is one of the best middle blockers in the history of the game). Not only is he a very tall OH, but he looks long for his size. He can definitely go over the top of defenders given his length. I don't worry about Gardini offensively. He looked impressive in the alumni game; the question (as it is for most really tall OHs) is how well he holds up in serve receive.

    Durkin is a big loss. On the other hand, I've generally thought the Stanley was the more talented setter. We will see how is steps up. Can he get consistently good location to the pin hitters? Once again, I think BYU has really talented pins. If Stanley plays reasonably well, BYU will be very good offensively (maybe better than anyone besides Long Beach). Stanley does have a nice jump spin so he does have more serving upside than Durkin too.

    BYU lost Jarmin in the middle, but I expect BYU to be better in the middle than last year. Mostly because Felipe de Brito Ferreira is so talented, and should now be fully comfortable in the system. Miki is a solid middle; I would say equal to Jarmin defensively but not quite as good on the offensive end as Jarmin.

    This year's Gabi versus last year's Gabi. I do think BYU needs more out of Gabi to really compete for a championship. He's was very solid last year. No doubt he's an elite server. But I think he needs to be more efficient. I don't think he'll every give BYU Patch level efficiency, but it would be nice if he could give BYU plus 0.300 hitting efficiency this year.


    Players that could get time -> Storm for sure. If either of the OHs (Gardini or Cyrus struggle), you'll see storm early in the season. Tim Baldwin was the biggest OH recruit besides Gardini. Will we see him later in the season? I'm skeptical. Cyrus is BYU's passing/good hands OH. I'm skeptical that he gets overtaken this season. At middle bocker, I do think Oberender will get some time. He redshirted last year. He is shorter than Miki and Ferreira, but he does have one advantage over those two: he's got a jump spin. If BYU wants to go junp-spin heavy and use less floats we might see Oberender.

    My bottom line: BYU is strong where they usually are strong: pin hitters and good blocking middles. Keys: Stanley at setter and Hendrickson at libero. You don't need elite play from either, but they do need to be solid. The closer either of those get to being elite, the more of a legit title chance BYU has.
    How will BYU be in receiving serve on the backline?

    Will BYU be able to earn enough points out of system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    How will BYU be in receiving serve on the backline?
    Well, I think I addressed this in my post at least some -> the big potential delta versus last year is Gardini relative to Sander. Hendrickson and Cyrus both were passers last year by the end of the year and will be this year as well. Hopefully, both Hendrickson and Cyrus are improved. We'll see about Gardini. I expect teams to target him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Will BYU be able to earn enough points out of system?
    I don't view this as a particular important worry. You've got Fernendez with a year of experience and you've added an OH who has the size to go over the top of blocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    The 2019 season is just around the corner. BYU plays Ohio State on Thursday at the Fieldhouse; so a high quality non-conference match that could matter for NCAA tournament seeding right out of the gate (and Ohio State has already played a couple of matches)

    So here is a bit of a preview of the season:

    Projected starting lineup (this is the lineup they used in the Alumni game on Saturday):


    Code:
    Cyrus Fa'alogo            6-4   Jr      OH
    Davide Gardini            6-9   Fr      OH
    Gabi Garcia-FernandeZ     6-7   So     Opp
    Miki Jauhiainen           6-8   Jr      MB
    Felipe de Brito Ferreira  6-9   So      MB
    Will Stanley              6-4   Jr  Setter
    Zack Hendrickson          6-0   So     Lib
    Key losses from the last year:

    Code:
    Brenden Sander           6-4       OH
    Leo Durkin               6-4   Setter
    Price Jarmin             6-9       MB
    Assessment of the losses and their replacements

    Brenden Sander is probably the biggest loss in an absolute sense, but this loss is mitigated well (at least in expectation) by the arrival of Davide Gardini. He is a very talented player from Italy (his father is one of the best middle blockers in the history of the game). Not only is he a very tall OH, but he looks long for his size. He can definitely go over the top of defenders given his length. I don't worry about Gardini offensively. He looked impressive in the alumni game; the question (as it is for most really tall OHs) is how well he holds up in serve receive.

    Durkin is a big loss. On the other hand, I've generally thought the Stanley was the more talented setter. We will see how is steps up. Can he get consistently good location to the pin hitters? Once again, I think BYU has really talented pins. If Stanley plays reasonably well, BYU will be very good offensively (maybe better than anyone besides Long Beach). Stanley does have a nice jump spin so he does have more serving upside than Durkin too.

    BYU lost Jarmin in the middle, but I expect BYU to be better in the middle than last year. Mostly because Felipe de Brito Ferreira is so talented, and should now be fully comfortable in the system. Miki is a solid middle; I would say equal to Jarmin defensively but not quite as good on the offensive end as Jarmin.

    This year's Gabi versus last year's Gabi. I do think BYU needs more out of Gabi to really compete for a championship. He's was very solid last year. No doubt he's an elite server. But I think he needs to be more efficient. I don't think he'll every give BYU Patch level efficiency, but it would be nice if he could give BYU plus 0.300 hitting efficiency this year.


    Players that could get time -> Storm for sure. If either of the OHs (Gardini or Cyrus struggle), you'll see storm early in the season. Tim Baldwin was the biggest OH recruit besides Gardini. Will we see him later in the season? I'm skeptical. Cyrus is BYU's passing/good hands OH. I'm skeptical that he gets overtaken this season. At middle bocker, I do think Oberender will get some time. He redshirted last year. He is shorter than Miki and Ferreira, but he does have one advantage over those two: he's got a jump spin. If BYU wants to go junp-spin heavy and use less floats we might see Oberender.

    My bottom line: BYU is strong where they usually are strong: pin hitters and good blocking middles. Keys: Stanley at setter and Hendrickson at libero. You don't need elite play from either, but they do need to be solid. The closer either of those get to being elite, the more of a legit title chance BYU has.
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    How are we reeling in so much international talent?

    I love me some BYU, but it can seem restrictive for good, Christian American kids. I can't imagine how some of these international players handle the culture shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Pelagius,

    How are we reeling in so much international talent?

    I love me some BYU, but it can seem restrictive for good, Christian American kids. I can't imagine how some of these international players handle the culture shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Is your position really that BYU is not restrictive for college-aged kids?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Is your position really that BYU is not restrictive for college-aged kids?
    Those poor good, Christian American kids. Must be awful to be at BYU.

    FTR, international students generally adjust better than Americans to the BYU environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Those poor good, Christian American kids. Must be awful to be at BYU.

    FTR, international students generally adjust better than Americans to the BYU environment.
    The only reason it wasn't a hard adjustment for me is because I spent the prior year in Rexburg. I came to Provo and felt liberated walking about campus in my knee-length shorts and flip flops.

    When I was at BYU, about 50% of my co-workers were international. I worked with students that were born in Vietnam and raised in Romania; Muslim students from Kenya; Students from Ghana, Belguim, Korea, China, and all over South America and the Caribbean. Its been fifteen years, but I can assure you that if they adjust better (and in my experience, I don't find that to be the case), it's because they are forced to coalesce with one another, and since the stakes are so high for them (they're there on student visas), they keep one another's secrets fairly well hidden.

    But I'm willing to admit my anecdotes are not representative if you can produce some objective proof that international students "adjust better".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Pelagius,

    How are we reeling in so much international talent?

    I love me some BYU, but it can seem restrictive for good, Christian American kids. I can't imagine how some of these international players handle the culture shock.
    Here are my guesses:

    1. The limited number of scholarships helps BYU here. Whoever you play for you're likely to get a partial (likely 1/2 or less). BYU's going to be cheaper than any of the other elite schools (e.g., UCLA out of state tuition or Stanford).

    2. Limited number of schools in general that play men's volleyball. I think all the top 10 have good international talent.

    3. In volleyball the BYU coaching and professional playing network is really deep and generally well respected. There are lots of people playing and coaching in Europe with BYU connections. For example, I think I remember an article where Gardini talked about discussing who he should play for with Taylor Sander.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Here are my guesses:

    1. The limited number of scholarships helps BYU here. Whoever you play for you're likely to get a partial (likely 1/2 or less). BYU's going to be cheaper than any of the other elite schools (e.g., UCLA out of state tuition or Stanford).

    2. Limited number of schools in general that play men's volleyball. I think all the top 10 have good international talent.

    3. In volleyball the BYU coaching and professional playing network is really deep and generally well respected. There are lots of people playing and coaching in Europe with BYU connections. For example, I think I remember an article where Gardini talked about discussing who he should play for with Taylor Sander.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    The only reason it wasn't a hard adjustment for me is because I spent the prior year in Rexburg. I came to Provo and felt liberated walking about campus in my knee-length shorts and flip flops.

    When I was at BYU, about 50% of my co-workers were international. I worked with students that were born in Vietnam and raised in Romania; Muslim students from Kenya; Students from Ghana, Belguim, Korea, China, and all over South America and the Caribbean. Its been fifteen years, but I can assure you that if they adjust better (and in my experience, I don't find that to be the case), it's because they are forced to coalesce with one another, and since the stakes are so high for them (they're there on student visas), they keep one another's secrets fairly well hidden.

    But I'm willing to admit my anecdotes are not representative if you can produce some objective proof that international students "adjust better".
    That was definitely true when BYU had a bunch of champion throwers on the track team from Scandinavia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Here are my guesses:

    1. The limited number of scholarships helps BYU here. Whoever you play for you're likely to get a partial (likely 1/2 or less). BYU's going to be cheaper than any of the other elite schools (e.g., UCLA out of state tuition or Stanford).

    2. Limited number of schools in general that play men's volleyball. I think all the top 10 have good international talent.

    3. In volleyball the BYU coaching and professional playing network is really deep and generally well respected. There are lots of people playing and coaching in Europe with BYU connections. For example, I think I remember an article where Gardini talked about discussing who he should play for with Taylor Sander.
    How many scholarships per team are allowed by NCAA rules? In baseball I think it's something like 7 scholarships shared among 27 players, or something crazy like that. Do you know what that number is in mens volleyball? Also, the change to allow full cost of attendance I heard means that even in baseball now there is enough money to share for tuition to be covered for all the players, which is nice. If the situation is similar in mens volleyball I imagine it gives BYU a nice advantage against schools like Stanford that are far more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    How many scholarships per team are allowed by NCAA rules? In baseball I think it's something like 7 scholarships shared among 27 players, or something crazy like that. Do you know what that number is in mens volleyball? Also, the change to allow full cost of attendance I heard means that even in baseball now there is enough money to share for tuition to be covered for all the players, which is nice. If the situation is similar in mens volleyball I imagine it gives BYU a nice advantage against schools like Stanford that are far more expensive.
    I believe it's 4.5 scholarships, and roster size for BYU is usually around 20.

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    Gardini is an amazing out of system middle. I don’t know if he can pass but I expect he can. I also agree Stanley has better location. We are going to be good. See you at the Ohio State match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    Gardini is an amazing out of system middle. I don’t know if he can pass but I expect he can. I also agree Stanley has better location. We are going to be good. See you at the Ohio State match.
    I was going back and forth between hoops and volleyball last night, but did I see Gardini hitting from the outside, or is that just him playing out of system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I was going back and forth between hoops and volleyball last night, but did I see Gardini hitting from the outside, or is that just him playing out of system?
    That was just a typo on K-dog's part. Gardini is playing OH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    That was just a typo on K-dog's part. Gardini is playing OH.
    Correct because you understand volleyball, but is out of system simply a term that the pass to the setter is not where the setter can set up the offensive player? I've struggled understanding what is considered out of system and in system. I know it's related to passing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Correct because you understand volleyball, but is out of system simply a term that the pass to the setter is not where the setter can set up the offensive player? I've struggled understanding what is considered out of system and in system. I know it's related to passing.
    I think that's basically right, although I would probably define it in terms of offensive options lost:

    In system: pass is good enough that the setter can set any of his offensive options. In the men's game that typically is 4: middle quick, front row OH hitter on the left, opposite hitter on the right either in the front or behind the 3M line (behind the 3 meter line it's often called a D-set or D-ball), or the BIC.

    Out of system: pass results in setter losing at least some offensive options. If the pass pulls the setter away from his normal spot it's really easy to lose the middle quick and the BIC. Worst case: only one feasible offensive option for the setter.
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    So my main thought from the match is that this team has a pretty high ceiling. I think it's quite a bit higher than last year's ceiling. On the other hand, I think there is quite a bit of uncertainty about whether it comes together. Reasons to think the ceiling is higher:

    1. Garcia-Fernandez looks like he has increased his shot selection. Last year he was pretty much an angle and hard angle hitter. Last night I saw a lot more variety than that. In particular, he was patient and adjusted his swing to the block he faced. Hopefully, he can consistently do that.

    2. I thought Stanley's connection with the pin hitters was good last night. I just didn't think Durkin set Garcia-Fernandez very well last year, but I thought Stanley looked good to all the pins.

    3. Stanley will go for sets that I think Durkin didn't even try (or rarely tried). For example, several times last night Stanley made really difficult back sets across the court to GGF to avoid setting the left pin and facing a triple block.

    4. Gardini just has more upside the Brenden Sander (and I don't mean this as a knock on Brenden Sander).

    5. More serving potential. This one is a bit more marginal.


    Reasons to be pessimistic about getting close to their ceiling:

    1. Libero lets them down. I thought it was a poor match for Hendrickson. Too many over passes last night. Ohio State is a really aggressive serving team and they had already played a couple of previous matches so that may explain some of what happened.

    2. Passing lets them down in general.

    3. The connection between Stanley and the middles is behind where you would want it to be. I am the least worried about this ... I think it will come around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    That was just a typo on K-dog's part. Gardini is playing OH.
    True. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    So my main thought from the match is that this team has a pretty high ceiling. I think it's quite a bit higher than last year's ceiling. On the other hand, I think there is quite a bit of uncertainty about whether it comes together. Reasons to think the ceiling is higher:

    1. Garcia-Fernandez looks like he has increased his shot selection. Last year he was pretty much an angle and hard angle hitter. Last night I saw a lot more variety than that. In particular, he was patient and adjusted his swing to the block he faced. Hopefully, he can consistently do that.

    2. I thought Stanley's connection with the pin hitters was good last night. I just didn't think Durkin set Garcia-Fernandez very well last year, but I thought Stanley looked good to all the pins.

    3. Stanley will go for sets that I think Durkin didn't even try (or rarely tried). For example, several times last night Stanley made really difficult back sets across the court to GGF to avoid setting the left pin and facing a triple block.

    4. Gardini just has more upside the Brenden Sander (and I don't mean this as a knock on Brenden Sander).

    5. More serving potential. This one is a bit more marginal.


    Reasons to be pessimistic about getting close to their ceiling:

    1. Libero lets them down. I thought it was a poor match for Hendrickson. Too many over passes last night. Ohio State is a really aggressive serving team and they had already played a couple of previous matches so that may explain some of what happened.

    2. Passing lets them down in general.

    3. The connection between Stanley and the middles is behind where you would want it to be. I am the least worried about this ... I think it will come around.
    I like your analysis. I really think we can be better on the outside and on the backside than we were last year. I think our serving game is as good or a bit better than last year. I’m worried because I think a Jaylen Reyes level Libero takes us to a National Championship but I don’t think we have one on this team. If we were able to get in system against good but not elite serving we would be amazing because of the size and skill of our MB1, OH1, and OPP. Instead, we will end up looking like last year and hoping our elite pin hitters can carry us against 2 and 3 blockers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    I like your analysis. I really think we can be better on the outside and on the backside than we were last year. I think our serving game is as good or a bit better than last year. I’m worried because I think a Jaylen Reyes level Libero takes us to a National Championship but I don’t think we have one on this team. If we were able to get in system against good but not elite serving we would be amazing because of the size and skill of our MB1, OH1, and OPP. Instead, we will end up looking like last year and hoping our elite pin hitters can carry us against 2 and 3 blockers.
    How bad is our libero?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    How bad is our libero?
    I think an above average libero should get you into your offensive system while passing more than his 1/3 of the court in order to be a good libero. Otherwise, he’s just another undersized outside hitter. When they are all-American level, they can pass more than their 1/3 and dig balls to put you into system. Think about Mary Lake or Brad Goldston or Fernando Pessoa early in his career. Reyes wasn’t able to pass 50% of the court but he took more than his 1/3. He could also dig a ball into system consistently. Our current liberos can only pass their 1/3 and their digs only give us one or two options in transition. They aren’t bad but they aren’t an advantage. They are just little outsides. That said, our coach was a very good libero so maybe he can bring someone along. I thought Jon Stanley might be a libero type because he clearly isn’t a physical specimen. We shall see.

    I did like our starter sacrificing his mouth onto the stanchion in the game against OSU. Gutsy run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    I thought Jon Stanley might be a libero type because he clearly isn’t a physical specimen. We shall see.
    That's got to be what they are thinking in term of his development? I watched his recruiting video, and clearly he was a very good high school player. But, at his size, you have to be super explosive to play for a team like BYU. To me he looks like about the same height as Storm. Storm's jumping ability is incredible, and Fa'alago has still taken over the position (although Storm is coming back from some sort of injury so I imagine we will see him at least some when he's 100%).

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    Just a few observations from the match:

    1. Gardini is a super fun player to watch. He just does so many things really well. I'm probably overly impressed, but outside of DeFalco I'm not sure there is anyone better at OH than him in the NCAA at the moment (maybe someone like Hawaii's Steijn Van Tilburg or Pepperdine's Wieczorek). In terms of fun players to watch I put him up there with Patch, Micah Ma'a (UCLA), and Tui Tuileta (former Hawaii libero).

    2. I found it interesting that Akana got time at OH2. He's the first of the Non-Gardini Freshman to get time (Oberender came in a little later at MB). He did have a nice block and kill in the third set. I think most volleyball people would have ranked Baldwin as the bigger/more promising recruit (but I could be wrong about this). Impressive for Akana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Just a few observations from the match:

    1. Gardini is a super fun player to watch. He just does so many things really well. I'm probably overly impressed, but outside of DeFalco I'm not sure there is anyone better at OH than him in the NCAA at the moment (maybe someone like Hawaii's Steijn Van Tilburg or Pepperdine's Wieczorek). In terms of fun players to watch I put him up there with Patch, Micah Ma'a (UCLA), and Tui Tuileta (former Hawaii libero).

    2. I found it interesting that Akana got time at OH2. He's the first of the Non-Gardini Freshman to get time (Oberender came in a little later at MB). He did have a nice block and kill in the third set. I think most volleyball people would have ranked Baldwin as the bigger/more promising recruit (but I could be wrong about this). Impressive for Akana.
    Is Baldwin an OH or MB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Is Baldwin an OH or MB?
    an OH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Is Baldwin an OH or MB?
    I should note that both Akana and Baldwin were top 50 recruits (what's called the Fab 50, https://volleyballmag.com/boys-fab-50-060818/ ). So it's not like Akana was some obscure recruit. That said, this isn't like other sports. BYU getting a top 50 is not a big deal. The vast majority of BYU's domestic recruits were top 50 recruits or were left off because volleyball is a fringe sport and the people compiling these things don't have that strong of incentives to get these things right (... Storm was left of in 2014 even though he played for like the national under 19 team).
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    I should note that both Akana and Baldwin were top 50 recruits (what's called the Fab 50, https://volleyballmag.com/boys-fab-50-060818/ ). So it's not like Akana was some obscure recruit. That said, this isn't like other sports. BYU getting a top 50 is not a big deal. The vast majority of BYU's domestic recruits were top 50 recruits or were left off because volleyball is a fringe sport and the people compiling these things don't have that strong of incentives to get these things right (... Storm was left of in 2014 even though he played for like the national under 19 team).
    I wondered about that. It's not like football where millions of fans are following recruits from eighth grade on, watching rankings and ratings rise and fall. Wouldn't making a national team be more significant than one of those rankings, other than national player of the year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    I wondered about that. It's not like football where millions of fans are following recruits from eighth grade on, watching rankings and ratings rise and fall. Wouldn't making a national team be more significant than one of those rankings, other than national player of the year?
    Mostly it just creates more noise than probably other situations. But there are less high school players total, so that probably reduces noise. It's still correlated with player success at the next level. For example, here are the Fab 50 recruits in BYU's starting lineup:

    Garcia-Fernandez
    Fa'alago
    Hendrickson
    Stanley

    Not Fab 50:
    Ferreira
    Miki
    Gardini

    All the ones not ranked, were international players outside of the ranking system. So it's not like it's useless.

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