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    Quote Originally Posted by happyone View Post
    On balance I like the change. I realize I'm old, but when I was on my mission we couldn't call home period - not on Christmas or Mother's Day. The only exception I remember is when my companion was diagnosed with a bleeding ulcer. The mission pres told him to call his parents after we had seen the doctors and he did.

    I don't know if the "No Call" rule had changed by the time JL got to Japan. I understand he served in Osaka a couple of yrs after me.
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    No I could not call home either.
    Holy crap. How old are you guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Holy crap. How old are you guys?
    1971-73. I was an exception, but I had one call, a month before the end to coordinate my parents’ pick-up visit and trip home. Otherwise, only communications were week-old letters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Holy crap. How old are you guys?
    Older than dirt. Younger than PAC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by happyone View Post
    On balance I like the change. I realize I'm old, but when I was on my mission we couldn't call home period - not on Christmas or Mother's Day. The only exception I remember is when my companion was diagnosed with a bleeding ulcer. The mission pres told him to call his parents after we had seen the doctors and he did.

    I don't know if the "No Call" rule had changed by the time JL got to Japan. I understand he served in Osaka a couple of yrs after me.
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    No I could not call home either.
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    1971-73. I was an exception, but I had one call, a month before the end to coordinate my parents’ pick-up visit and trip home. Otherwise, only communications were week-old letters.
    Wow.
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    I’m happy about the change but I’m more happy about a trend that looks like we have moved the church forward in time from the early ‘80s where it had apparently become stuck. I’m still waiting for my tank top garments though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Holy crap. How old are you guys?
    I am pretty much the same age as Lebowski and was allowed to call home at Christmas and Mothers Day.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    FTR, at the time it cost about five bucks a minute for a phone call from Japan to the states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    FTR, at the time it cost about five bucks a minute for a phone call from Japan to the states.
    I had an uncle who was a welder so money was no object.

    That, and I was in Quebec so it cost a lot less.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    I am pretty much the same age as Lebowski and was allowed to call home at Christmas and Mothers Day.
    #wimp
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    While I think this is a positive change, I do have some concerns. My sons were a little older than most when they left on their missions (19.5 & 21.5) so the cord had been cut. With both of them I had to "encourage" them to email every P-Day because their mother would get upset when they wouldn't email every week or when they did, would not say much in their emails. Having served a mission, I had a better understanding of missionary life, but my wife seemed to be living missionary life vicariously through her sons. With the change, a lot of Moms are going to expect that weekly video chat that their sons may not be all that enthused to participate in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    While I think this is a positive change, I do have some concerns. My sons were a little older than most when they left on their missions (19.5 & 21.5) so the cord had been cut. With both of them I had to "encourage" them to email every P-Day because their mother would get upset when they wouldn't email every week or when they did, would not say much in their emails. Having served a mission, I had a better understanding of missionary life, but my wife seemed to be living missionary life vicariously through her sons. With the change, a lot of Moms are going to expect that weekly video chat that their sons may not be all that enthused to participate in.
    I have already tried to temper my wife's expectations. I told her once a month video chat would be the most I would have been willing to accept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    While I think this is a positive change, I do have some concerns. My sons were a little older than most when they left on their missions (19.5 & 21.5) so the cord had been cut. With both of them I had to "encourage" them to email every P-Day because their mother would get upset when they wouldn't email every week or when they did, would not say much in their emails. Having served a mission, I had a better understanding of missionary life, but my wife seemed to be living missionary life vicariously through her sons. With the change, a lot of Moms are going to expect that weekly video chat that their sons may not be all that enthused to participate in.
    I hadn't written home in about 3 weeks. There was a transfer, and other stuff happened, and I just hadn't got a letter out.

    My dad called the mission office, who provided him with my apartment phone number. We spoke just long enough for him to tell me to write my mother.

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    What's most amazing is that it's viewed as progressive when the Mormon Church decides to allow a missionary to do something so basic as call his/her parents.

    I called my parents all the time on my mission. But I had to do it while my companion was in the shower in order to stay out of trouble. Just think for a moment about how remarkable that statement is. I had to hide the fact I was talking to my parents so that I wouldn't be reported to superiors for talking to my parents. I called my parents because I understood that the ban on speaking to family (save twice yearly) was fundamentally evil and an immoral abuse of Church power--intended to psychologically isolate missionaries.

    If a kid doesn't call home, that's his/her choice. You don't prohibit people from calling their family on any basis whatsoever. Even people in federal penitentiaries get to call their parents.

    If the Church were really about family, then talking to family would be a priority. Instead, family is such a big priority that you only get to call them with permission.

    Once they grant permission to call once a week intead of twice yearly, most members of the Church respond by saying: "Look how great the Church is! Look how great our prophet is! We are allowed to call family now!" It's almost like the king being admired for giving food to people that were previously on a king-imposed starvation diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    What's most amazing is that it's viewed as progressive when the Mormon Church decides to allow a missionary to do something so basic as call his/her parents.

    I called my parents all the time on my mission. But I had to do it while my companion was in the shower in order to stay out of trouble. Just think for a moment about how remarkable that statement is. I had to hide the fact I was talking to my parents so that I wouldn't be reported to superiors for talking to my parents. I called my parents because I understood that the ban on speaking to family (save twice yearly) was fundamentally evil and an immoral abuse of Church power--intended to psychologically isolate missionaries.

    If a kid doesn't call home, that's his/her choice. You don't prohibit people from calling their family on any basis whatsoever. Even people in federal penitentiaries get to call their parents.

    If the Church were really about family, then talking to family would be a priority. Instead, family is such a big priority that you only get to call them with permission.

    Once they grant permission to call once a week intead of twice yearly, most members of the Church respond by saying: "Look how great the Church is! Look how great our prophet is! We are allowed to call family now!" It's almost like the king being admired for giving food to people that were previously on a king-imposed starvation diet.
    Man you got saddled with some uptight companions.

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    Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    What's most amazing is that it's viewed as progressive when the Mormon Church decides to allow a missionary to do something so basic as call his/her parents.

    I called my parents all the time on my mission.
    Sounds like Satan had quite a strong influence on you. Did you regularly go swimming during your mission?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post

    It's almost like the king being admired for giving food to people that were previously on a king-imposed starvation diet.
    No it’s not almost like that it’s exactly like that! Such a good analogy, BM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    This wouldn’t fly around Paris either. We were allowed to go into Paris every other P-day if we lived within a certain distance. Even my dead companion would be up at 6:30am ready to go into Paris to bum around the tourist sites until the early evening.
    You got Paris, I got Winnipeg. When they were figuring out calls in SLC I can just hear them saying, this kid grew up in Rexburg he won't know any better.

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    BM, if you really believe what your wrote there you have become an exmo cartoon character.

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    I'm glad I never had the expectation of calling my parents. P-day time was precious. It was all about playing ball, going to the beach and visiting the black market. There was never time for calling the folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Non Sequitur View Post
    I'm glad I never had the expectation of calling my parents. P-day time was precious. It was all about playing ball, going to the beach and visiting the black market. There was never time for calling the folks.
    My first couple of P-days I spent a lot of time writing letters to everyone. After that, I just wrote to those who wrote me. And my letters to my family got shorter and shorter as the weeks and months went on.
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    I had a companion who wanted to spend 3 hours each P-day writing letters. Great guy, but that fact alone made him my second least favorite companion on my mission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    I had a companion who wanted to spend 3 hours each P-day writing letters. Great guy, but that fact alone made him my second least favorite companion on my mission.
    Ok, I’ll bite. Tell us about the least favorite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Ok, I’ll bite. Tell us about the least favorite.
    Wrote letters for three and a half hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Ok, I’ll bite. Tell us about the least favorite.
    Nothing too dramatic, just worse than three hour letter writing. I was fairly lucky with companions. This guy had a bad temper, yelled a lot, tried to pick fights with people sometimes, and had a lot of run ins with the mission hierarchy. Once he threw an iron across the room into a wall after a particularly heated game of spoons.

    We were companions for 3 or 4 months. Shortly afterward, he bought an electric guitar, and sent me a tape of his playing it on the roof of his apartment building, an original composition with a lot of Van Halen-style riffs and the main lyric being a shouted "Doooooowwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnn with unrighteous authority!!!!!!!!!". I wonder if I still have that tape somewhere.

    I also had a companion who had legitimate mental health issues. Shortly after we parted ways, he convinced a few sisters that they were possessed and he needed to perform exorcisms. I happened to be in the mission home one day when one of these sisters was thrashing around like Linda Blair on a bed in a guest room. The MP wasn't around, and we were trying to decide at what point we should take her to the hospital. We finally ended up bundling everyone in a mission van and heading over, where the staff treated us like some evil cult who had done something terrible to this poor girl (she was native Chinese, but in our defense, my ex-companion, who was the driver of the whole thing, was as well). Anyway, he didn't make it into the bottom two because while I was with him, he was merely eccentric rather than full on nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    Nothing too dramatic, just worse than three hour letter writing. I was fairly lucky with companions. This guy had a bad temper, yelled a lot, tried to pick fights with people sometimes, and had a lot of run ins with the mission hierarchy. Once he threw an iron across the room into a wall after a particularly heated game of spoons.

    We were companions for 3 or 4 months. Shortly afterward, he bought an electric guitar, and sent me a tape of his playing it on the roof of his apartment building, an original composition with a lot of Van Halen-style riffs and the main lyric being a shouted "Doooooowwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnn with unrighteous authority!!!!!!!!!". I wonder if I still have that tape somewhere.

    I also had a had at least two companions who had legitimate mental issues. Shortly after we parted ways, he convinced a few sisters that they were possessed and he needed to perform exorcisms. I happened to be in the mission home one day when one of these sisters was thrashing around like Linda Blair on a bed in a guest room. The MP wasn't around, and we were trying to decide at what point we should take her to the hospital. We finally ended up bundling everyone in a mission van and heading over, where the staff treated us like some evil cult who had done something terrible to this poor girl (she was native Chinese, but in our defense, my ex-companion, who was the driver of the whole thing, was as well). Anyway, he didn't make it into the bottom two because while I was with him, he was merely eccentric rather than full on nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Non Sequitur View Post
    I'm glad I never had the expectation of calling my parents. P-day time was precious. It was all about playing ball, going to the beach and visiting the black market. There was never time for calling the folks.
    Seriously. What kind of pussy needs to call his parents all the time. Cut the cord, bro.
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    From the age of five, I was always 3,000 miles away from one of my parents and usually multiple siblings. The phone was how we stayed connected. I feel like I had a leg up over a lot of the elders who had never been away from their families from a general homesickness perspective, but when things got bad (I got sick, or the mission got really hard), it was distressing not to be able to pick up the phone and give my mom or dad a call.

    With seven months left, my stepmom (I've never been close to her) had a brain aneurysm, so my sister (who hates my stepmom) called the mission office and got permission to talk to me. I got a vm from the MP giving me permission to call my sister, and we talked for like three hours (after the obligatory, "well, I hope [stepmom] is okay.") It was awesome. I was serving in a really wealthy area. The people there were either Mormon, uber-Christian, or secular liberals. I was struggling, and our talk gave me a real boost to finish my mission strong. This is the experience I think about when people discussed the cost and benefit of the new rule.

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    Had a video chat with my son this morning. It was awesome to see his smiling face - wasn't expecting to see that again until mid-May.

    He's doing great. And totally upbeat about everything. Says he's never really been homesick, but he loves that having calls more regularly means that there will be a lot less stress to remember everything he wanted to say or talk about when calls were just twice a year. So far, I love the change. But I am curious about he logistics of p-day being on a weekday and ending at 6pm. If your missionary is in another time zone, maybe it works out better. As it is, I'm not sure about extended phone calls during work hours when potentially both parents are working. There will definitely be some growing pains for some...

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