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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    You think lower expectations were really there for Virginia? "You can lose more games here than you did at BYU!"
    Kind of. Virginia was not accustomed to winning as many as 8 games per year. BYU fans had largely bored with only winning 8 games per year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Kind of. Virginia was not accustomed to winning as many as 8 games per year. BYU fans had largely bored with only winning 8 games per year.
    Just wait till Va wins 10 games for a few years, and then go back to 7 or 8. Bronco will be screwed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Just wait till Va wins 10 games for a few years, and then go back to 7 or 8. Bronco will be screwed!
    Probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Kind of. Virginia was not accustomed to winning as many as 8 games per year. BYU fans had largely bored with only winning 8 games per year.
    Exactly. I'm not saying Virginia fans wont eventually become unreasonable if Bronco averages 8 wins a year with a few 10 and 11 win seasons sprinkled in. But at the time he left there is no question the expectations at Virginia were lower.

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    Critchlow is in the portal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Public View Post
    Critchlow is in the portal?
    Yes. His scholarship is going to Baylor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    Yes. His scholarship is going to Baylor.
    I'm all for improving relationships with the Baptists, but is really necessary to give Rhule one of our schollies? Wasn't that terrible movie Baptists at our BBQ, enough of an offering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Public View Post
    Critchlow is in the portal?
    Joe "The Show" says No to 2020.

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    Somebody told me there's a BYU football game today. Is that true?
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    Not sure. Are they actually going to play this time?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystripper View Post
    Not sure. Are they actually going to play this time?


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    Hope so.
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    Well, what a sucker punch way to end the roller coaster season.

    Overall evaluation.

    The record doesnít show improvementó7-6 last year, 7-6 this yearóbut my gut tells me we were better in 2019 than 2018, even if not by much. This year featured two of the three biggest wins of the Sitake era, and maybe the biggest two. We logged a number of wins against bowl teams. Iím not sure the strength of schedule rating will itself bear out that we played a harder schedule, just because the bad teams were SO bad, but we arguably had more quality wins this year than any since Sitake took over.

    And fans are pissedómaybe rightly soóthat we didnít win ten games this year. But for three woulda-coulda-shoulda games we would have. 7 wins last year felt like an accomplishment. This year it feels like an underachievement. That suggests to me, in its way, we are making progress. But we need to capitalize on it.

    Tuiaki hate was rampant this year. Most of that hate was badly misdirected toward how many we rushed. The fact that we so often only rushed three was not the problem; it was what the eight who werenít rushed were doing. We had problems in the backfield all year, starting with players who were supposed to contribute that never made it over. You saw in the second half of the Hawaii game how much better we would be if the backfield held to their schemes. Thatís a coaching issue, though not the one fans are complaining about.

    But to me the offense was far more disappointing, and shoulders far more of the burden of blame for our six losses. Red zone efficiency in particular just wasnít good enough. The regression after the end of last year when things seemed to be clicking is hard to stomach. And our kicking game... goodness. It cost us at least the Toledo game, and who knows what the other games (SDSU in particular) would have looked like if we make even the gimme kicks.

    So are we going in the right direction? I think so... but slowly. Very slowly. As a program we should be ahead of the G5 pack and in the thick of it with P5 programs. The latter, we actually accomplished this year. The former, oddly enough, not so much. Maybe we start clueing in on things that work and donít, get a good base of experienced players instead of the underclassmen-heavy sides we have been fielding lately, and continue to build. Something tells me it doesnít work that way, though. For the next couple of years I donít know we will get much more from BYU football than a team that tends to win as many or more games as it loses. As our schedule upgrades that actually represents real progress. Just not as much as we want.
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    Regarding the 3 man rush: My problem with rushing 3 is not so much a problem with that as the base defense; rather, it's the stubborn insistence on sticking with that base package every single down, every single situation, even when there were series/plays that cried out for something else. I'm not sure how many times BYU actually rushed 4, and even fewer times that they blitzed. It feels like fewer than 2 blitzes a game.

    So, what did they get from all that downfield defense?

    Here are BYUs rankings in every relevant defensive category:

    Ints - #10 (tied with 5 others ) among FBS teams, 12 INTs in 12 games
    Turnovers Gained - #20 (tied with 6 others) among FBS teams - 22 turnovers gained
    Red Zone Defense - #30
    Passing Yards Allowed - #35
    Scoring Defense - #47
    Fourth Down Defense - #48
    First Down Defense - #54
    Total defense - #62
    Third down defense - #69
    Rushing defense #90
    Tackles for loss #120
    Sacks - tied for #125 (3rd to last) with 3 other FBS teams (UMass, UNLV, UTEP), 12 sacks in 12 games.

    It seems like BYU gave up way too much in order to get those 12 Ints. Perhaps a slightly more balanced approach to the defensive scheme, occasionally mixing in different sets and, heaven forbid, a blitz, when the situation warrants it, would produce a more balanced result in categories like rushing defense and total defense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
    Regarding the 3 man rush: My problem with rushing 3 is not so much a problem with that as the base defense; rather, it's the stubborn insistence on sticking with that base package every single down, every single situation, even when there were series/plays that cried out for something else. I'm not sure how many times BYU actually rushed 4, and even fewer times that they blitzed. It feels like fewer than 2 blitzes a game.

    So, what did they get from all that downfield defense?

    Here are BYUs rankings in every relevant defensive category:

    Ints - #10 (tied with 5 others ) among FBS teams, 12 INTs in 12 games
    Turnovers Gained - #20 (tied with 6 others) among FBS teams - 22 turnovers gained
    Red Zone Defense - #30
    Passing Yards Allowed - #35
    Scoring Defense - #47
    Fourth Down Defense - #48
    First Down Defense - #54
    Total defense - #62
    Third down defense - #69
    Rushing defense #90
    Tackles for loss #120
    Sacks - tied for #125 (3rd to last) with 3 other FBS teams (UMass, UNLV, UTEP), 12 sacks in 12 games.

    It seems like BYU gave up way too much in order to get those 12 Ints. Perhaps a slightly more balanced approach to the defensive scheme, occasionally mixing in different sets and, heaven forbid, a blitz, when the situation warrants it, would produce a more balanced result in categories like rushing defense and total defense?
    Yeah, allowing the QB to get comfortable in the pocket hurts downfield defense quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Yeah, allowing the QB to get comfortable in the pocket hurts downfield defense quite a bit.
    But it worked against USC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wapiti View Post
    But it worked against USC!
    Yes, it did. And it worked in the second half of Hawaii too.

    Fans are too quick to zero in on how many are rushing versus being in pass protection. Thatís too simple a metric. What matters more is what the defenders dropping back are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    Yes, it did. And it worked in the second half of Hawaii too.

    Fans are too quick to zero in on how many are rushing versus being in pass protection. That’s too simple a metric. What matters more is what the defenders dropping back are doing.
    Yeah except for the last drive. One of the things you have to do is dial up the occasional pressure to keep the QB guessing. What they're running right now seems more like bend but don't break.

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    You should blame me for the season ending flop. Coincides when was rooting for BYu to help Utah's SOS, and trying to help my FIL be less distraught. Man he and some of you guys are really broken. I will return to rooting against them next year, which should help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wapiti View Post
    I've never understood Bronco's infamous comment about independence being unsustainable. Even if you believe it, why would you ever say that publicly? As long as we have a great TV partner, independence is sustainable. P5 teams can schedule BYU and know their game is going to have a great TV deal. Have we had any P5 home games since independence that weren't ABC, ESPN, or ESPN2?
    I always understood it to be part of BYUís meager effort to get a P5 inviteói.e., showing the P5 conferences that we wanted in over independence. Or maybe Bronco signaling to the admin that he wanted them to push harder to get into a P5 conference. I never saw his statements as pining to go back to the MWC or some other G5 conference, as the G5 proponents have twisted it to mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UVACoug View Post
    I always understood it to be part of BYU’s meager effort to get a P5 invite—i.e., showing the P5 conferences that we wanted in over independence. Or maybe Bronco signaling to the admin that he wanted them to push harder to get into a P5 conference. I never saw his statements as pining to go back to the MWC or some other G5 conference, as the G5 proponents have twisted it to mean.
    Either way, its a bizzare strategy. The best way to get into a P5 conference is project strength and stability. Sure, we'll come if you want us, but independence is working out just fine.

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    Tonga officially staying for his senior season. Surprised both Bushman and Tonga are staying, but I'll take it!

    I guess that means we won't have anyone drafted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveCoug View Post
    Tonga officially staying for his senior season. Surprised both Bushman and Tonga are staying, but I'll take it!

    I guess that means we won't have anyone drafted?
    Dayan is our best hope. And my gut tells me heís a free agent that ends up on a practice squad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveCoug View Post
    Tonga officially staying for his senior season. Surprised both Bushman and Tonga are staying, but I'll take it!

    I guess that means we won't have anyone drafted?
    Great news for the fans. I'll take it, too!
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