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    So I've tried this 16/8 thing for a week now delaying my breakfast until lunchtime. My weight hasn't changed, I still have a stiff back from arthritis, and my allergies are still bothering me. What gives?

    How long has it taken for you guys who are doing this to see a change in weight? The only real difference I'm seeing so far is being a little hungrier in the morning.

    I don't have a lot to lose but am probably 10-15 pounds overweight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefytee View Post
    So I've tried this 16/8 thing for a week now delaying my breakfast until lunchtime. My weight hasn't changed, I still have a stiff back from arthritis, and my allergies are still bothering me. What gives?

    How long has it taken for you guys who are doing this to see a change in weight? The only real difference I'm seeing so far is being a little hungrier in the morning.

    I don't have a lot to lose but am probably 10-15 pounds overweight.
    I'm in the same boat. Not quite a week (I think I'm on day 5?). I figure I'll give it 2 full weeks before I start complaining.

    I do think I've noticed some positive changes though. My tired (non-arthritic) back is a little less sore and a little less tired in the mornings. My clothes seem to fit just a little bit better (maybe because my stomach isn't full when I'm getting dressed?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    I'm in the same boat. Not quite a week (I think I'm on day 5?). I figure I'll give it 2 full weeks before I start complaining.

    I do think I've noticed some positive changes though. My tired (non-arthritic) back is a little less sore and a little less tired in the mornings. My clothes seem to fit just a little bit better (maybe because my stomach isn't full when I'm getting dressed?).
    I'm giving it more time too. Usually with diet or exercise you see the most dramatic change at the start and benefits decrease from there. That's why I'm wondering what other people's experience on this diet have been.

    It really has been an easy diet to follow. The hardest part is in the evening when snacks are left out in the kitchen and I forget I'm fasting. I've caught myself so far though.

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    Took me 3-4 weeks to acclimate to IF - to the point where it seemed "easy". I think it is important to view IF as one part of a larger strategy. If you end up eating the same types of foods and in the same total amounts during that 8-hr period, you likely won't see much of a benefit. Some key parts of my approach:

    1. IF
    2. No snacking between meals.
    3. Cut way back on processed foods, esp sugar, corn syrup, and white flour.
    4. Low carb, high fiber, high protein, moderate fat diet. I am not a zero carb nazi, but I do try to limit potatoes, bread, rice, pasta, etc.
    5. Eat lots of vegetables.

    I do not calorie count nor do I track macros. I am rarely hungry between meals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Took me 3-4 weeks to acclimate to IF - to the point where it seemed "easy". I think it is important to view IF as one part of a larger strategy. If you end up eating the same types of foods and in the same total amounts during that 8-hr period, you likely won't see much of a benefit. Some key parts of my approach:

    1. IF
    2. No snacking between meals.
    3. Cut way back on processed foods, esp sugar, corn syrup, and white flour.
    4. Low carb, high fiber, high protein, moderate fat diet. I am not a zero carb nazi, but I do try to limit potatoes, bread, rice, pasta, etc.
    5. Eat lots of vegetables.

    I do not calorie count nor do I track macros. I am rarely hungry between meals.
    Thanks JL. 3-4 weeks seems like a long time. Although I think it seems particularly long right now because I'm pretty hungry. Hungriest I've been since starting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

    I do not calorie count nor do I track macros. I am rarely hungry between meals.
    But this would certainly be another step that someone could do to improve results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Took me 3-4 weeks to acclimate to IF - to the point where it seemed "easy". I think it is important to view IF as one part of a larger strategy. If you end up eating the same types of foods and in the same total amounts during that 8-hr period, you likely won't see much of a benefit. Some key parts of my approach:

    1. IF
    2. No snacking between meals.
    3. Cut way back on processed foods, esp sugar, corn syrup, and white flour.
    4. Low carb, high fiber, high protein, moderate fat diet. I am not a zero carb nazi, but I do try to limit potatoes, bread, rice, pasta, etc.
    5. Eat lots of vegetables.

    I do not calorie count nor do I track macros. I am rarely hungry between meals.
    So Iíve been doing this for about a month and agree it takes about 4 weeks to get used to it. I agree with 1-5. I finally accepted that I canít eat and snack throughout the day. It seems like every nurses station has a bowl of candy or some baked goods and partaking throughout the day ruins any other good eating habits. I have been using a calorie counter just to see what I was consuming. I think it helps. I have also been more consistent with using my Peloton.

    Over the last several years my weight had gradually climbed to 250. Being 6í6Ē it didnít seem that noticeable. Over the last month Iíve dropped to 224 and feel much better. My son spent 6 weeks with weight training and conditioning prior to fall camp starting. He and I passed each other in weight as he came home at 245.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hostile View Post
    So I’ve been doing this for about a month and agree it takes about 4 weeks to get used to it. I agree with 1-5. I finally accepted that I can’t eat and snack throughout the day. It seems like every nurses station has a bowl of candy or some baked goods and partaking throughout the day ruins any other good eating habits. I have been using a calorie counter just to see what I was consuming. I think it helps. I have also been more consistent with using my Peloton.

    Over the last several years my weight had gradually climbed to 250. Being 6’6” it didn’t seem that noticeable. Over the last month I’ve dropped to 224 and feel much better. My son spent 6 weeks with weight training and conditioning prior to fall camp starting. He and I passed each other in weight as he came home at 245.
    Reminds me of the universal advice to med students and residents of “Eat whenever you can, pee whenever you can, sleep whenever you can because you never know when the next chance will be”. Turns out the eating part at least is bad advice.

    Seems like the best thing for me is skipping dinner or having a very light dinner a few times per week. I’m never very hungry in the morning and often too busy to eat for lunch. Then I can put away 3000 calories at dinner which is clearly dumb. JL is definitely correct that 16:8 is only one component of a plan. I can gain weight eating only during like a 4 hour window each day when I go crazy during that 4 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    The “healthiest” thing I have come across that is WoW compliant and has no (almost no?) artificial sweeteners are the Nuun Energy tabs. https://www.nuunlife.com/products

    Edit: if you search “caffeine” you can see the stuff that is caffeinated. We get the sport and vitamin tabs with caffeine.
    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Thanks. I will look into those.

    I had a zipfizz this morning on my first day of 16/8 IF. More because I had one available than because I thought it was a "compliant". Looking at the ingredients, it has 20 calories and uses sucralose and xylitol as sweeteners. I wonder if those two will ruin it as an IF drink.
    So after 2 weeks, I'm down exactly 1 pound. I was down 2, but then bounced back up? I've been pretty good about not snacking between meals and not eating a lot of processed foods (at least, I think I have). So now I'm thinking its the ZipFizz! What if all this time I haven't been fasting at all! Its so hard to tell whether something is causing an insulin response.

    I bought some Nuun tablets yesterday and tried one for the first time this morning. Its okay, not as tasty as ZipFizz. But maybe I'll get used to it. I will give these a try for the next 2 weeks and see if it makes any difference.
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    So I’ve been thinking about this Fung book the last few weeks:

    1. This idea that you have to “fuel up” for the day with a big breakfast is so common and I agree with Fung clearly false. There is a kid on my son’s soccer team who is obese. His Dad was recounting to me last week that the son didn’t want to eat before his soccer game on Saturday morning but that the Dad forced him to eat something so he would have enough energy to play soccer. That’s the best paradigm shift that people could make when they read this. I’ve been doing like 20 hours fasting and 4 hours a day eating and feel great with that as long as I get enough fluid.

    2. Artificial sweeteners are obviously not good for people in excess (they probably make people crave real sugar?) but I’m not buying his thing about them raising insulin in any significant way. If you inject somebody with insulin without glucose then they become hypoglycemic. Nobody ever talks about a person becoming hypoglycemic from too much diet soda or too much artificial sweetener in tea or coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    So Iíve been thinking about this Fung book the last few weeks:

    2. Artificial sweeteners are obviously not good for people in excess (they probably make people crave real sugar?) but Iím not buying his thing about them raising insulin in any significant way. If you inject somebody with insulin without glucose then they become hypoglycemic. Nobody ever talks about a person becoming hypoglycemic from too much diet soda or too much artificial sweetener in tea or coffee.
    Ive not read the Fung book. But Iíve listened to several Podcasts where ďnutritionist to the starsĒ Vinny Tortorich has discussed this. Tortorich says itís not so much about the artificial sweeteners adding calories into your diet but rather that your liver responds the same to them as it does to real sugar, ie a glycogen dump that causes carbs to be stored instead of burned. At least I think thatís what he says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Ive not read the Fung book. But Iíve listened to several Podcasts where ďnutritionist to the starsĒ Vinny Tortorich has discussed this. Tortorich says itís not so much about the artificial sweeteners adding calories into your diet but rather that your liver responds the same to them as it does to real sugar, ie a glycogen dump that causes carbs to be stored instead of burned. At least I think thatís what he says.
    That's basically the hypothesis of Fung's book.


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    Teenager 'blind' from living off crisps and chips

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-49551337

    "Eye doctors in Bristol cared for the young man after his vision had deteriorated to the point of blindness.Since leaving primary school, the teen had been eating only French fries, Pringles and white bread, as well as an occasional slice of ham or a sausage.
    Tests revealed he had severe vitamin deficiencies and malnutrition damage."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    So I’ve been thinking about this Fung book the last few weeks:

    1. This idea that you have to “fuel up” for the day with a big breakfast is so common and I agree with Fung clearly false. There is a kid on my son’s soccer team who is obese. His Dad was recounting to me last week that the son didn’t want to eat before his soccer game on Saturday morning but that the Dad forced him to eat something so he would have enough energy to play soccer. That’s the best paradigm shift that people could make when they read this. I’ve been doing like 20 hours fasting and 4 hours a day eating and feel great with that as long as I get enough fluid.
    Agreed. That "most important meal of the day" stuff is a load of crap.

    The book also made me realize how much we snack these days, and how damaging that is - especially for kids. Just go to any soccer or t-ball game and watch how much junk we pass out to kids after a game. It is a wonder that more kids aren't obese or diabetic.

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    2. Artificial sweeteners are obviously not good for people in excess (they probably make people crave real sugar?) but I’m not buying his thing about them raising insulin in any significant way. If you inject somebody with insulin without glucose then they become hypoglycemic. Nobody ever talks about a person becoming hypoglycemic from too much diet soda or too much artificial sweetener in tea or coffee.
    My beef with that chapter is that it seemed to have the least supporting evidence, compared to other chapters. Nevertheless I have cut way back on my diet soda consumption.

    BTW, my doctor son said that there is a new drug that changes insulin sensitivity (or blunts the impact of insulin?). He prescribes it to some of his diabetes patients and they immediately lose 12-15 lbs.
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    Sorry soda drinkers (diet and otherwise), you're going to die first!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...?noredirect=on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Sorry soda drinkers (diet and otherwise), you're going to die first!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...?noredirect=on
    Meh.

    Murphy said that he cannot rule out the possibility that the artificially sweetened positive associations were influenced by unhealthy individuals switching to artificially sweetened soft drinks.

    “We recognize that a possible explanation for the positive associations found for artificially sweetened soft drinks is that participants who were already at greater health risk (those who were overweight or obese; those with prediabetes) may have switched to artificially sweetened soft drinks to manage their calorie and sugar intake,” he said in an email.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Sorry soda drinkers (diet and otherwise), you're going to die first - but the good news is - you're going to enjoy your life way more than non-drinkers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...?noredirect=on
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    The parameters of the study seem a little loose.

    Participants who drank two or more glasses of soft drinks per day had a higher risk of mortality than those who consumed less than one glass per month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

    BTW, my doctor son said that there is a new drug that changes insulin sensitivity (or blunts the impact of insulin?). He prescribes it to some of his diabetes patients and they immediately lose 12-15 lbs.
    Are you sure he said it's a new drug? This sounds like what metformin does--except metformin increases insulin sensitivity and it's been around for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Student View Post
    Are you sure he said it's a new drug? This sounds like what metformin does--except metformin increases insulin sensitivity and it's been around for a while.
    That is what I recall he said. I will ask and get more details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Teenager 'blind' from living off crisps and chips

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-49551337

    "Eye doctors in Bristol cared for the young man after his vision had deteriorated to the point of blindness.Since leaving primary school, the teen had been eating only French fries, Pringles and white bread, as well as an occasional slice of ham or a sausage.
    Tests revealed he had severe vitamin deficiencies and malnutrition damage."
    oh shit. i think that may be happening to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    oh shit. i think that may be happening to me.
    I always thought it was something else that caused blindness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Sorry soda drinkers (diet and otherwise), you're going to die first!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...?noredirect=on
    I have yet to see a study about artificially sweetened soft drinks that doesn't have other potential causes of health issues with those studied. This one is especially weak in that area.

    I'm going to continue drinking one or two a day and I won't feel guilty about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Student View Post
    Are you sure he said it's a new drug? This sounds like what metformin does--except metformin increases insulin sensitivity and it's been around for a while.
    Probably talking about GLP-1 agonists like Victoza. Those definitely help with weight loss.

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    Pass the beef...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/h...01tion=topNews

    Public health officials for years have urged Americans to limit consumption of red meat and processed meats because of concerns that these foods are linked to heart disease, cancer and other ills.

    But on Monday, in a remarkable turnabout, an international collaboration of researchers produced a series of analyses concluding that the advice, a bedrock of almost all dietary guidelines, is not backed by good scientific evidence.

    If there are health benefits from eating less beef and pork, they are small, the researchers concluded. Indeed, the advantages are so faint that they can be discerned only when looking at large populations, the scientists said, and are not sufficient to tell individuals to change their meat-eating habits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    So now there's nothing left in the WoW that is correct??
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