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    Searched the archives for a general thread on this topic and couldn't find a good fit so here goes. I want to bore you folks with more stuff about diet, low carb-high fat, type 2 diabetes, etc.

    This is interesting. NYC rodents developing type-2 diabetes from eating too much human junk food.

    https://patch.com/new-york/upper-wes...study-suggests

    Health problems such as obesity and diabetes are plaguing New York City's rodent population compared to the vermin's suburban counterparts – and the suspected cause is the human diet, according to a new study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Searched the archives for a general thread on this topic and couldn't find a good fit so here goes. I want to bore you folks with more stuff about diet, low carb-high fat, type 2 diabetes, etc.

    This is interesting. NYC rodents developing type-2 diabetes from eating too much human junk food.

    https://patch.com/new-york/upper-wes...study-suggests
    They would be much healthier if they drank DMD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    They would be much healthier if they drank DMD.
    I gave up DMD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I gave up DMD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Searched the archives for a general thread on this topic and couldn't find a good fit so here goes. I want to bore you folks with more stuff about diet, low carb-high fat, type 2 diabetes, etc.

    This is interesting. NYC rodents developing type-2 diabetes from eating too much human junk food.

    https://patch.com/new-york/upper-wes...study-suggests
    There is some diet discussion here as well if you're interested:

    http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...out-plans-here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Searched the archives for a general thread on this topic and couldn't find a good fit so here goes. I want to bore you folks with more stuff about diet, low carb-high fat, type 2 diabetes, etc.

    This is interesting. NYC rodents developing type-2 diabetes from eating too much human junk food.

    https://patch.com/new-york/upper-wes...study-suggests
    Oh crap, now Dems are going to demand Medicare for NYC rats...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Public View Post
    There is some diet discussion here as well if you're interested:

    http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...out-plans-here
    Yeah, but that one was skewed toward individual workout discussions (i.e. exercise). This is for general discussion of diet and nutrition.
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    I'm subscribing because I would like to lose a few pounds and hopefully a few useful tips will come through here. For now I'm just trying to eat less at meals and get regular exercise. I'm not sure I have the willpower to give up carbohydrates. Maybe do a liquid diet for a few days here and there?

    There's that old joke: My New Years's resolution is to lose 10 pounds. Only 15 more to go.

    That's me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I gave up DMD!
    Don't think that I'm going to do something crazy like give up coffee or beer in response. I am willing to give up vodka in response though, which is easy as I'm not a white woman at brunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R Nelson View Post
    I'm subscribing because I would like to lose a few pounds and hopefully a few useful tips will come through here. For now I'm just trying to eat less at meals and get regular exercise. I'm not sure I have the willpower to give up carbohydrates. Maybe do a liquid diet for a few days here and there?

    There's that old joke: My New Years's resolution is to lose 10 pounds. Only 15 more to go.

    That's me.
    I'd suggest Pokemon Go. I lost 15 pounds by playing Pokemon Go. I'm not kidding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    I'd suggest Pokemon Go. I lost 15 pounds by playing Pokemon Go. I'm not kidding.
    I think you lost 15 pounds by getting off your ass and walking around.
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    Remember the recent hubbub about the british docs that wanted to create a tax on meat to recover purported costs due to poor health consequences? Now the Italians are discussing a law to prosecute parents who put kids on a Vegan diet. #teamitaly

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...P=share_btn_tw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Remember the recent hubbub about the british docs that wanted to create a tax on meat to recover purported costs due to poor health consequences? Now the Italians are discussing a law to prosecute parents who put kids on a Vegan diet. #teamitaly

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...P=share_btn_tw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Remember the recent hubbub about the british docs that wanted to create a tax on meat to recover purported costs due to poor health consequences? Now the Italians are discussing a law to prosecute parents who put kids on a Vegan diet. #teamitaly

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...P=share_btn_tw
    Crazy:

    The proposal follows a string of high-profile cases of malnutrition brought on by veganism.

    A one-year-old boy in Milan raised on a strict vegan diet was last month removed from his parents’ custody after he was found to be severely malnourished, weighing just 5kg.

    Levels of calcium in his blood were said to be at the lowest necessary for him to survive and he underwent emergency surgery because of a heart condition, the English-language Italian news site The Local reported.

    In June, a two-year-old toddler spent several days in intensive care in a pediatric hospital in Genoa, being treated for vitamin deficiencies as a result of her vegan diet.
    What are these parents thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Crazy:



    What are these parents thinking?
    They're regretting not rubbing the essential oils in a clockwise motion to activate the DNA. Instead they were stubborn and stuck with a counter-clockwise motion even though their friends and neighbors pressured them and ridiculed them for putting the old-fashioned superstition above the health of their child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
    They're regretting not rubbing the essential oils in a clockwise motion to activate the DNA. Instead they were stubborn and stuck with a counter-clockwise motion even though their friends and neighbors pressured them and ridiculed them for putting the old-fashioned superstition above the health of their child.

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    Alright - what's the current best info on diet soda versus real sugar soda versus corn syrup soda?

    I get it - none of them are good for you. I'm more interested in the hierarchy of which is least bad.

    Seems like real sugar is better for you than corn syrup. OK - I suppose that makes sense.

    But I hear all kinds of things about how the chemicals in artificial sweeteners are bad and/or don't really make a difference due to them confusing your body and that real sugar actually ends up better for you than the artificial stuff in the long run.

    So - what's the scoop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    Alright - what's the current best info on diet soda versus real sugar soda versus corn syrup soda?

    I get it - none of them are good for you. I'm more interested in the hierarchy of which is least bad.

    Seems like real sugar is better for you than corn syrup. OK - I suppose that makes sense.

    But I hear all kinds of things about how the chemicals in artificial sweeteners are bad and/or don't really make a difference due to them confusing your body and that real sugar actually ends up better for you than the artificial stuff in the long run.

    So - what's the scoop?
    Don't think this really answers your question, but here's what Jason Fung wrote about diet sodas on his blog:

    Rather than reducing risk of cardiovascular disease, diet sodas may actually increase the risk. But why? Reducing sugar intake should be a laudable goal. Since sweeteners contain no calories or sugar, this should be beneficial. Sweeteners also do not seem to raise insulin levels.

    Let me put it this way. Reducing dietary sugars is certainly good. But it doesn’t mean that replacing sugar with completely artificial, manmade chemicals of dubious safety is a good idea. I mean, pesticides and herbicides are also considered safe for human consumption. That doesn’t mean we should be going out of our way to eat more of them. (Anti-organic foods? Extra pesticides for worm free apples!)

    There are simply too many things that can go wrong with the ingestion of chemicals such as aspartame, sucralose, or acesulfam-K. These are not foods. There is nothing food like about them. They are synthesized in a chemical vat and sold to you because they happen to be sweet and not kill you in the amounts used in foods. Glue won’t kill you either. That doesn’t mean we should be eating it.

    Imagine if they advertised “Glue – tastes good and it won’t kill you, so you should eat more!” (at least one kid in every classroom seems to love the glue stick a little too much)

    Imagine if they advertised “Aspartame – tastes good and it won’t kill you, so you should eat more!”

    The bottom line is that these chemicals do not help weight loss. They may actually cause weight gain. These artificial chemicals may cause cravings that may induce over-eating of sweet foods. By continually eating sweet foods, even if they have no calories, may lead us to crave other sweet foods that may contain sugar or starches.

    The strongest proof of the failure of artificial sweeteners comes from 2 recently completed randomized trials. In “A Randomized Trial of Sugar-Sweetened Beverages and Adolescent Body Weight” 224 overweight adolescents were divided by random into two groups. One group was given a year’s worth of water and diet drinks to consume.

    At the end of 2 years, it is clear that the diet soda (experimental) group was consuming less sugar than the regular (control) group. That’s good. However, if you look at the weight gain, there is no significant difference between the two groups.
    https://idmprogram.com/the-diet-soda...-of-obesity-5/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Don't think this really answers your question, but here's what Jason Fung wrote about diet sodas on his blog:



    https://idmprogram.com/the-diet-soda...-of-obesity-5/
    i think he's saying diet sodas suck. i will confirm he's right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    Alright - what's the current best info on diet soda versus real sugar soda versus corn syrup soda?

    I get it - none of them are good for you. I'm more interested in the hierarchy of which is least bad.

    Seems like real sugar is better for you than corn syrup. OK - I suppose that makes sense.

    But I hear all kinds of things about how the chemicals in artificial sweeteners are bad and/or don't really make a difference due to them confusing your body and that real sugar actually ends up better for you than the artificial stuff in the long run.

    So - what's the scoop?
    http://www.insuliniq.com/3-not-so-sw...al-sweeteners/

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    i think he's saying diet sodas suck. i will confirm he's right.
    Hmmm. My research shows otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Hmmm. My research shows otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Don't think this really answers your question, but here's what Jason Fung wrote about diet sodas on his blog:

    https://idmprogram.com/the-diet-soda...-of-obesity-5/
    I thought the diet soda/artificial sweetener chapter was the weakest part of his book. He switched from using hard evidence from multiple studies to silly touchy-feely stuff about vats of chemicals and industrial food production. At one point he mockingly asked, "Do you know any skinny people who drink diet sodas?" Uh yeah. I know a lot of them.

    Sugar sodas are deadly and one of the worst foods you can eat. Corn syrup is worse, but any kind of sugar soda is bad. Diet sodas aren't a health food, but hard evidence that they are unhealthy is difficult to find. There is a lot of nonsense out there.
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    I was off soda for a while. But I went back. And I like it. A lot, dammit.

    I prefer the full sugar stuff. But they don't serve that in fountain drinks - and mostly that's what I get. I also don't drink it all the time - just 2-3 times a week at most, usually. But I'm willing to mix in the non-food sweetener that won't kill you at the amounts currently used in drinks drinks if that helps me be more healthy than just drinking whatever soda comes from the dispenser.


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    While I'm not a fan of soda (diet or otherwise), it's possible to stay healthy drinking it:

    https://theoutline.com/post/842/diet...=1&zi=zeome4s5

    It goes without saying (but I’m saying it): You should mainly be drinking water. But Diet Coke and all the other artificially sweetened beverages out there are not going to make you fat, give you cancer, or kill your tastebuds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I thought the diet soda/artificial sweetener chapter was the weakest part of his book. He switched from using hard evidence from multiple studies to silly touchy-feely stuff about vats of chemicals and industrial food production. At one point he mockingly asked, "Do you know any skinny people who drink diet sodas?" Uh yeah. I know a lot of them.

    Sugar sodas are deadly and one of the worst foods you can eat. Corn syrup is worse, but any kind of sugar soda is bad. Diet sodas aren't a health food, but hard evidence that they are unhealthy is difficult to find. There is a lot of nonsense out there.
    And a lot of the research is contradictory. For every study referenced showing artificial sweeteners, like aspartame for example, cause an insulin spike, there are thoroughly vetted studies showing that it causes none. I keep hoping for the latter because I can't quit Coke Zero and stevia tastes gross to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I thought the diet soda/artificial sweetener chapter was the weakest part of his book. He switched from using hard evidence from multiple studies to silly touchy-feely stuff about vats of chemicals and industrial food production. At one point he mockingly asked, "Do you know any skinny people who drink diet sodas?" Uh yeah. I know a lot of them.

    Sugar sodas are deadly and one of the worst foods you can eat. Corn syrup is worse, but any kind of sugar soda is bad. Diet sodas aren't a health food, but hard evidence that they are unhealthy is difficult to find. There is a lot of nonsense out there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    And a lot of the research is contradictory. For every study referenced showing artificial sweeteners, like aspartame for example, cause an insulin spike, there are thoroughly vetted studies showing that it causes none. I keep hoping for the latter because I can't quit Coke Zero and stevia tastes gross to me.
    I've been trying to find quality research on diet drinks and all I've ever been able to find is weak arguments often with very questionable logic. I like Diet Coke and maybe average about one a day, but not quite. I'm not getting the cravings for sugar that the "studies" say I should. I'm not real tolerant of sugar for some reason, even though blood tests show no issues at all in that area. I'm not going to feel good after consuming a 12 oz soft drink with sugar, but have no issues at all with diet drinks.

    So I'm going to continue to have diet drinks when I feel like it and I don't expect them to effect my health one way or the other.

    I would still like to see a study containing scientific evidence, though, without the made-up stuff that all of the ones I've read so far seem to add in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R Nelson View Post
    I've been trying to find quality research on diet drinks and all I've ever been able to find is weak arguments often with very questionable logic. I like Diet Coke and maybe average about one a day, but not quite. I'm not getting the cravings for sugar that the "studies" say I should. I'm not real tolerant of sugar for some reason, even though blood tests show no issues at all in that area. I'm not going to feel good after consuming a 12 oz soft drink with sugar, but have no issues at all with diet drinks.

    So I'm going to continue to have diet drinks when I feel like it and I don't expect them to effect my health one way or the other.

    I would still like to see a study containing scientific evidence, though, without the made-up stuff that all of the ones I've read so far seem to add in.
    The article I posted has references.

    http://www.insuliniq.com/3-not-so-sw...al-sweeteners/

    The overall conclusion that artificial sweeteners increase the risk of insulin resistance is supported; people who drink an artificially sweetened (diet) soda daily have a 36% greater chance of developing the metabolic syndrome (remember that it used to be called “insulin resistance syndrome”) and a whopping 67% increased risk of type 2 diabetes [1]. How can this be when diet soda has no calories? Well, there’s no clear answer; just a few theories.

    [1] references: 1. Nettleton JA, Lutsey PL, Wang Y, Lima JA, Michos ED, Jacobs DR, Jr.: Diet soda intake and risk of incident metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes in the Multi-Ethnic Study of Atherosclerosis (MESA). Diabetes Care 2009, 32:688-694.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampfrog View Post
    The article I posted has references.

    http://www.insuliniq.com/3-not-so-sw...al-sweeteners/
    I followed the links in the citations and I think he is grossly overstating the evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I followed the links in the citations and I think he is grossly overstating the evidence.
    Good enough for me!

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