Yeah sounds like there was no interrogation at all. They just wanted the guy disappeared and couldn't do it as easy outside of SA so the consulate was the next-best place. Whoops!
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Originally posted by Commando View PostThe U.S. has a symbiotic relationship with its LPRs as well as its citizens. They are entitled to protections from the government they uphold, and could seek assistance from our government abroad if they needed it, just like a naturalized or natural born citizen could. He's one of us, period.
Maybe this is a fine line that makes little to no sense to you - but I feel like I'd be more agreeable on it if he had applied for citizenship and was in the process (and maybe he had/was), versus I know that there are some people who apply for residency but never intend to apply for citizenship. Typically because they are intent on retaining citizenship in their country of origin.
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Originally posted by Eddie View PostThanks for the response. I'll admit - I don't totally get it. I mean, I get that this is the "next step" to citizenship. And I'm not saying we should just not care about this sort of thing happening. I'm still stuck a little on the US "obligation" to people in that circumstance versus the obligation of the international community at large.
Maybe this is a fine line that makes little to no sense to you - but I feel like I'd be more agreeable on it if he had applied for citizenship and was in the process (and maybe he had/was), versus I know that there are some people who apply for residency but never intend to apply for citizenship. Typically because they are intent on retaining citizenship in their country of origin.
And again- LPRs are tax payers, employees, employers, students, and reside here with every other relevant tie to the U.S. that naturalized citizens can demonstrate except a certificate of naturalization.Last edited by Commando; 10-17-2018, 02:16 PM."I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"
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Can LPRs vote?"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostCan LPRs vote?Last edited by BlueK; 10-17-2018, 02:37 PM.
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostCan LPRs vote?Last edited by Uncle Ted; 10-17-2018, 03:21 PM."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostThey can't. My mom was one of those once. I remember when I was 9 or 10 being allowed to leave early from school one day so we could go to the courthouse to watch her take her oath of citizenship. That happened almost 15 years after she entered the country as a legal immigrant. Working through the paperwork in her country took a couple of years. Unfortunately, IMO, that was easy back then compared to what the process for coming legally can be like today, from what I've heard from others going through it and from those like Commando. My sister in law also works in immigration law. And I have another sister in law who is a federal prosecutor. At one time she worked on cases involving illegal immigrants from the side of sending them back. Even she thought the laws were dumb.Last edited by Commando; 10-17-2018, 03:29 PM."I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"
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Originally posted by Commando View PostMaybe bc you don't really fathom how incredibly difficult it typically is to get residency. It's an almost impossibly high hurdle that impedes the vast majority of people from ever having any status here in the U.S. or becoming a citizen. Applying for your stupid citizenship is like getting new driver's license. And that reason you cite of people wanting to retain citizenship in their country of origin is very mythical. Of course they will always be citizens of their country of origin (except in limited circumstances where the home country doesn't allow them to do that.). I regularly counsel naturalized citizens to keep their passports up to date from their country of origin b/c they come in handy when traveling in that country.
And again- LPRs are tax payers, employees, employers, students, and reside here with every other relevant tie to the U.S. that naturalized citizens can demonstrate except a certificate of naturalization."What are you prepared to do?" - Jimmy Malone
"What choice?" - Abe Petrovsky
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Originally posted by Joe Public View PostWhat do you mean by "stupid citizenship" in the above quote?
Stupid Citizens have all of the rights of regular citizens, but their votes only count for .5.
If you are designated a Smart Citizen, your vote counts for 1.5 to make up the difference for all the stupid people voting.
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Originally posted by Eddie View PostDidn't you know? There are different classes of citizenship.
Stupid Citizens have all of the rights of regular citizens, but their votes only count for .5.
If you are designated a Smart Citizen, your vote counts for 1.5 to make up the difference for all the stupid people voting.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/no...erican-voters/
maybe just a voter registration law would work better.Last edited by BlueK; 10-17-2018, 04:32 PM.
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Originally posted by BlueK View Postfunny that even Ted isn't buying the Saudi/Trump explanation."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by Joe Public View PostWhat do you mean by "stupid citizenship" in the above quote?"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostLike this?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/no...erican-voters/
maybe just a voter registration law would work better."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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