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Originally posted by BigPiney View PostI think Mangum is a head case and we have seen what he has to offer, which is not much. If they are equal I go with Wilson.
I was listening to the interview with Roderick from yesterday and he was saying that the WRs think no one says they are any good. You know what. They aren't any good until they prove it. In face they have been one of the worst WR corps in D1 football. I am guessing Navy and Army who catch a combined total of 4 passes per game have better wide receivers. Hey BYU WRs, you freaking suck.Last edited by tooblue; 08-14-2018, 08:23 AM.
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostI read that Critchlow not getting snaps was due to the rotation they are using for practice so his turn just didn’t come up. Grimes said no one should read anything into it...but of course we will because we are fans.
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Originally posted by tooblue View PostIn the majority of clips, I have seen, Wilson is always in shotgun. In contrast, Mangum is often shown either under center, or in shotgun. From what I understand of Grimes philosophy, his offense strives for balance in all facets; giving the defense a lot of different looks, lining up in a variety of ways, shifting and changing the tempo.
I don’t have any skin in the game. I want the best QB to play. But maybe the freshmans’ footwork, especially under center, is limiting. All things being mostly equal (which appears to be the case), you start the senior with more experience. It may seem like a little thing, but better footwork can suggest there is a QB in this race who is more comfortable in more diverse in-game situations.
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Originally posted by mtnbiker View PostI don't know how you can say that Tanner has good footwork. He's always looked like his ankles are fused (or wrapped really tightly), and he has a really stiff gait. He doesn't seem fluid at all to me.
Look, If you have a whole slate of plays in your playbook that require your QB be under centre, but have a QB who isn't used to being under centre, and needs more time to develop his footwork, don't you play the QB that gives you the best opportunity to be varied (per your philosophy) in your attack?
It will be interesting to see how a first year OC manages the situation.Last edited by tooblue; 08-14-2018, 09:54 AM.
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Originally posted by tooblue View PostIf he is consistently operating under center, he has good footwork. It's a lot harder than it looks. It comes with a lot of coaching and reps. Also, I'm not sure where you get that he isn't fluid. Mangum has good mobility. He was hobbled by injures last year, long before his season ending injury.
Look, If you have a whole slate of plays in your playbook that require your QB be under centre, but have a QB who isn't used to being under centre, and needs more time to develop his footwork, don't you play the QB that gives you the best opportunity to be varied (per your philosophy) in your attack?
It will be interesting to see how a first year OC manages the situation.*Banned*
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Originally posted by cougjunkie View PostWilson took exactly zero snaps under center in high school. IT is probably a work in progress and not something that BYU really wants to throw at him right now.
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Originally posted by cougjunkie View PostWilson took exactly zero snaps under center in high school. IT is probably a work in progress and not something that BYU really wants to throw at him right now.
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Originally posted by YOhio View PostWhat do you think, junkie? You okay with considering Wilson as a starter this season?
QB: Mangum has underachieved in his 7 years at BYU. Wilson seems to have talent but any time you start a true freshman, no matter how good they are it means you lack depth.
RB: Squally will do great against bad teams, get stifled against everyone else. He is huge this year, if he makes one cut and gets downfield like Jamaal did then we might be ok. The fact that Hoge is already 2nd string is a problem.
WR: they all suck. Dylan Collie was the 4th best WR at Hawaii last year and he will be our best wideout this year.
TE: Bushman and MLP should be ok.
OL: If we have Empey, Hoge and healthy Lui in the middle, we might be ok. The tackles are a huge question mark for me. Hoyt, Shoaf and Brady Christensen don't excite me.
DL: Shit show, Corbins is highly overrated
LB: We are going to get ran all over with a smaller Butch, and a converted safety in Zayne playing LB. Remember the Matt Hadley experiment at LB last year? Also Takitaki is not good in the run game.
DB: Wilcox is Mike Davis 2.0. Always in position, never makes plays. Shelton makes goatnapper look tall. Safeties should be ok.
I think we are staring at 5-7 wins no matter the QB. So why not start Wilson and let him take his lumps? If you start Wilson you do risk losing Jaren Hall. I also think Ed Lamb said Critchlow was the future just to keep him from transferring.*Banned*
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Originally posted by cougjunkie View PostI will be honest, I don't see a ton of talent on this team.
QB: Mangum has underachieved in his 7 years at BYU. Wilson seems to have talent but any time you start a true freshman, no matter how good they are it means you lack depth.
RB: Squally will do great against bad teams, get stifled against everyone else. He is huge this year, if he makes one cut and gets downfield like Jamaal did then we might be ok. The fact that Hoge is already 2nd string is a problem.
WR: they all suck. Dylan Collie was the 4th best WR at Hawaii last year and he will be our best wideout this year.
TE: Bushman and MLP should be ok.
OL: If we have Empey, Hoge and healthy Lui in the middle, we might be ok. The tackles are a huge question mark for me. Hoyt, Shoaf and Brady Christensen don't excite me.
DL: Shit show, Corbins is highly overrated
LB: We are going to get ran all over with a smaller Butch, and a converted safety in Zayne playing LB. Remember the Matt Hadley experiment at LB last year? Also Takitaki is not good in the run game.
DB: Wilcox is Mike Davis 2.0. Always in position, never makes plays. Shelton makes goatnapper look tall. Safeties should be ok.
I think we are staring at 5-7 wins no matter the QB. So why not start Wilson and let him take his lumps? If you start Wilson you do risk losing Jaren Hall. I also think Ed Lamb said Critchlow was the future just to keep him from transferring.
What is your impression of Grimes? Will he be able to get the maximum out of this bunch? What is Mangum's mental state and do you believe his depression is under control?"Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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Originally posted by cougjunkie View PostI will be honest, I don't see a ton of talent on this team.
QB: Mangum has underachieved in his 7 years at BYU. Wilson seems to have talent but any time you start a true freshman, no matter how good they are it means you lack depth.
RB: Squally will do great against bad teams, get stifled against everyone else. He is huge this year, if he makes one cut and gets downfield like Jamaal did then we might be ok. The fact that Hoge is already 2nd string is a problem.
WR: they all suck. Dylan Collie was the 4th best WR at Hawaii last year and he will be our best wideout this year.
TE: Bushman and MLP should be ok.
OL: If we have Empey, Hoge and healthy Lui in the middle, we might be ok. The tackles are a huge question mark for me. Hoyt, Shoaf and Brady Christensen don't excite me.
DL: Shit show, Corbins is highly overrated
LB: We are going to get ran all over with a smaller Butch, and a converted safety in Zayne playing LB. Remember the Matt Hadley experiment at LB last year? Also Takitaki is not good in the run game.
DB: Wilcox is Mike Davis 2.0. Always in position, never makes plays. Shelton makes goatnapper look tall. Safeties should be ok.
I think we are staring at 5-7 wins no matter the QB. So why not start Wilson and let him take his lumps? If you start Wilson you do risk losing Jaren Hall. I also think Ed Lamb said Critchlow was the future just to keep him from transferring.
As long as 1 of those 5-7 wins is against Utah then I'm happy.
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Originally posted by Topper View PostThat's a depressing outlook, but I am not surprised about the lack of talent.
What is your impression of Grimes? Will he be able to get the maximum out of this bunch? What is Mangum's mental state and do you believe his depression is under control?Dyslexics are teople poo...
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