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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    You really don't know why?
    Because they are pissy little prima donnas who refuse to accept the consequence of a true free agent market?
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Because they are pissy little prima donnas who refuse to accept the consequence of a true free agent market?
    I doubt that is the exact reason they are upset. At least, I don't think they are thinking int market terms. I think they just want good competition. It used to be a player's personal pride would prevent him from doing what Boogie (and before him, KD) did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    I doubt that is the exact reason they are upset. At least, I don't think they are thinking int market terms. I think they just want good competition. It used to be a player's personal pride would prevent him from doing what Boogie (and before him, KD) did.

    Wilt Chamberlain did just about the same thing. So did Lew Alcindor/Kareem. (not to mention Bron Bron to Miami.) Boston once won 8 CONSECUTIVE championships. So the Warriors winning and KD or Boogie moving really are nothing new. It seems to me that the loss of pride is not in those who move to good teams but in those who whine about it like spoiled little children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Wilt Chamberlain did just about the same thing. So did Lew Alcindor/Kareem. (not to mention Bron Bron to Miami.) Boston once won 8 CONSECUTIVE championships. So the Warriors winning and KD or Boogie moving really are nothing new. It seems to me that the loss of pride is not in those who move to good teams but in those who whine about it like spoiled little children.
    Nothing new. Maybe. Mabye not. Did any of those guys assemble 5 all-stars in their prime, with at least two of those all-stars taking less money to make it happen? This feels like Boogie buying a ring for himself.
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    Regardless of the right or wrong of the moves or the player perceptions... the bottom line is the the NBA is becoming less and less interesting with the listing of player movement disenfranchising half of the league. They're killing the goose who's laying the golden eggs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clackamascoug View Post
    Regardless of the right or wrong of the moves or the player perceptions... the bottom line is the the NBA is becoming less and less interesting with the listing of player movement disenfranchising half of the league. They're killing the goose who's laying the golden eggs.
    This is an entirely subjective view and may be correct, overall, although I am not sure it is true in general and I know it is not true for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Nothing new. Maybe. Mabye not. Did any of those guys assemble 5 all-stars in their prime, with at least two of those all-stars taking less money to make it happen? This feels like Boogie buying a ring for himself.
    Boogie is actually gambling a bit, IMO. According to his agent, he had received exactly zero offers prior to his agent contacting the warriors to let them know he would play for the MLE. He did not take less money ecause he had een offered exactly zero prior to talking to the dus. His thinking, I am guessing, is that he was not going to get the sort of max contract he wants with his currently rehabbing achilles injury and so he p[lans to make his 5.3 million, take his sweet time rehabing, because the Warriors dont really care if he plays much in the regular season, and then show himself in the playoffs so he cabn cash in next season somewhere else for a max payout. In the mean time he might have a won a ring,. But there is a risk that he doesnt heal completely, or is no longer as explosive, or that he simply needs more time to get back to 100% so he risks losing the max deal and maybe a lot more (if, for example, he were to suffre some other injury).
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Nothing new. Maybe. Mabye not. Did any of those guys assemble 5 all-stars in their prime, with at least two of those all-stars taking less money to make it happen? This feels like Boogie buying a ring for himself.
    Karl Malone and Gary Payton did this very thing in 2003 with the Lakers. Tried to buy themselves a title late in their careers, even though they got their butts kicked by the Pistons in the finals. I don't remember the faux-outrage at the time about them doing the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Karl Malone and Gary Payton did this very thing in 2003 with the Lakers. Tried to buy themselves a title late in their careers, even though they got their butts kicked by the Pistons in the finals. I don't remember the faux-outrage at the time about them doing the same.
    Both were well past their primes. Not the same thing. Lots of aging stars end up chasing rings at the end of their careers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Both were well past their primes. Not the same thing. Lots of aging stars end up chasing rings at the end of their careers.
    whatever. So there is supposed to be some pride-based rule about not getting the deal that you like the most in free agency if it means creating a super team unless you are "past your prime"? This just shows how silly this sort of criticism is. Look, The Warriors are good because they were very lucky in the draft. They got three guys that no one, including the warriors, knew would be that good. Then they got one free agent. A guy who could go ANYWHERE and who decided he didnt want to stay in OKC (and who would, really) and play next to a hall of fame ball hog when he could live in the bay area and win championships.

    You know what else Payton and Malone didnt have? A ruptured achilles. This whole "Boogie ruined basketball" narrative just seems silly to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Because they are pissy little prima donnas who refuse to accept the consequence of a true free agent market?
    It’s because the stars aren’t going to their teams. Jazz fans always complain about this. Houston fans are doing it this year. OKC complained when KD left but seemed fine with it when PG and Carmelo signed with them...without them realizing their team still wouldn’t be very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    whatever. So there is supposed to be some pride-based rule about not getting the deal that you like the most in free agency if it means creating a super team unless you are "past your prime"? This just shows how silly this sort of criticism is. Look, The Warriors are good because they were very lucky in the draft. They got three guys that no one, including the warriors, knew would be that good. Then they got one free agent. A guy who could go ANYWHERE and who decided he didnt want to stay in OKC (and who would, really) and play next to a hall of fame ball hog when he could live in the bay area and win championships.

    You know what else Payton and Malone didnt have? A ruptured achilles. This whole "Boogie ruined basketball" narrative just seems silly to me.
    This argument isn't that nuanced. Fans like to see parity, not super teams. The regular season is going to be largely meaningless if we all know that the Warriors are going to go to the Finals again. There's nothing wrong with fans (and players) wanting some parity.

    I'm not advancing the "Boogie ruined basketball" narrative, nor do I agree that the narrative is that heavy-handed. I know Boogie is injured. But let's not pretend that, even injured, he's not worth more than the MLE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    This argument isn't that nuanced. Fans like to see parity, not super teams. The regular season is going to be largely meaningless if we all know that the Warriors are going to go to the Finals again. There's nothing wrong with fans (and players) wanting some parity.

    I'm not advancing the "Boogie ruined basketball" narrative, nor do I agree that the narrative is that heavy-handed. I know Boogie is injured. But let's not pretend that, even injured, he's not worth more than the MLE.
    IS he worth more? His agent said today he had received zero offers. ZERO. He contacted the Warriors and told them he would be willing to play for the MLE. IF you get zero offers then maybe you shouldnt pretend you are worth more than, well, whatever you can find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Why are so many players whining about Boogie's move? It's called being a free agent. He can go wherever he wants. He wants to get healthy so he can get a true max contract? He wants to win a ring? He wants to live in the bay area instead of NOLA (NOLA is fun to visit but man that heat and humidity...). He can do whatever he wants. He can take less, or more. This is the right that all players want. And the right that they will all have unless they give it up by signing contracts/extensions. So Boogie bets on himself for a year at 5.3 million. So what?
    uh because the warriors have all all stars in starting lineup. and most players dont lose on on 10 to 15 million per year just to go to the warriors

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    IS he worth more? His agent said today he had received zero offers. ZERO. He contacted the Warriors and told them he would be willing to play for the MLE. IF you get zero offers then maybe you shouldnt pretend you are worth more than, well, whatever you can find.
    Oh brother. Its not like free agency is over. Maybe he was asking for a max contract and got ZERO max offers? So he decided to get a ring while he rehabs and then gets his next big contract.

    Or, you could be right, and a 25 ppg big man coming off an all-star year is probably worth the MLE only.Those guys are a dime a dozen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Oh brother. Its not like free agency is over. Maybe he was asking for a max contract and got ZERO max offers? So he decided to get a ring while he rehabs and then gets his next big contract.

    Or, you could be right, and a 25 ppg big man coming off an all-star year is probably worth the MLE only.Those guys are a dime a dozen.
    Who cares? He can do whatever he wants is the point. He is worth whatever someone will pay but he gets to go wherever he wants among those offers. Nonetheless, the agent said he had received ZERO offers. No counters, no responses. Is that true? No idea. But to me it simply doesn't matter.

    Btw, I am sure you realize that Boogie carries a lot of baggage. I, for one, cannot stand him. But he can do what he wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    uh because the warriors have all all stars in starting lineup. and most players dont lose on on 10 to 15 million per year just to go to the warriors
    So? They could.
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    I respect Boogie taking a pretty huge gamble. If he’s the brooding, malcontent he seems the Warriors don’t win the title next year and he cost himself 30 million? If they win and Steve Kerr, Steph and KD sing his praises he has a ring and a max deal wherever he wants to go. Ballsy, I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Who cares? He can do whatever he wants is the point. He is worth whatever someone will pay but he gets to go wherever he wants among those offers. Nonetheless, the agent said he had received ZERO offers. No counters, no responses. Is that true? No idea. But to me it simply doesn't matter.

    Btw, I am sure you realize that Boogie carries a lot of baggage. I, for one, cannot stand him. But he can do what he wants.
    Lots of people care. You seem to care quite a bit, for one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Lots of people care. You seem to care quite a bit, for one.
    I admit I care that there are so many lame arguments against what he is doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    I respect Boogie taking a pretty huge gamble. If he’s the brooding, malcontent he seems the Warriors don’t win the title next year and he cost himself 30 million? If they win and Steve Kerr, Steph and KD sing his praises he has a ring and a max deal wherever he wants to go. Ballsy, I like it.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    I respect Boogie taking a pretty huge gamble. If he’s the brooding, malcontent he seems the Warriors don’t win the title next year and he cost himself 30 million? If they win and Steve Kerr, Steph and KD sing his praises he has a ring and a max deal wherever he wants to go. Ballsy, I like it.
    I watched a fair number of Kings games with Cousins while Jimmer was there. While Cousins is a very good player, I didn't think of him as All-Star level. He averaged pretty good numbers but seemed to be neutralized by taller defenders. Since he was mostly playing the 5, he was often facing off against taller guys. I don't think I saw him in any Pelican games this season, but I imagine he was probably playing the majority of his minutes at the 4 with Davis at the 5. That was probably a much better fit for his skill set. I wonder what position Golden State is expecting him to play.
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    It's a good move by the Warriors too... keeps Booger from going to the Lakers and helping them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clackamascoug View Post
    It's a good move by the Warriors too... keeps Booger from going to the Lakers and helping them.
    Um, he’ll be a laker next season
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Um, he’ll be a laker next season
    I'm trying hard to spin this in my direction... but I have to admit you're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Who cares? He can do whatever he wants is the point. He is worth whatever someone will pay but he gets to go wherever he wants among those offers. Nonetheless, the agent said he had received ZERO offers. No counters, no responses. Is that true? No idea. But to me it simply doesn't matter.

    Btw, I am sure you realize that Boogie carries a lot of baggage. I, for one, cannot stand him. But he can do what he wants.
    Saying now Boogie turned down 2 years/$40M from the Pelicans at the end of the season. Guess all he could get was that MLE.

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    Looks like Kawhi is going to Toronto in exchange for DeMar Rosen (and some other stuff). Kawhi has said he has no interest in being in Toronto. This could get interesting.

    Lots of NBA players tweeting about the lack of loyalty in the NBA, especially in response to Rosen's trade. Have they never heard of trades before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Looks like Kawhi is going to Toronto in exchange for DeMar Rosen (and some other stuff). Kawhi has said he has no interest in being in Toronto. This could get interesting.

    Lots of NBA players tweeting about the lack of loyalty in the NBA, especially in response to Rosen's trade. Have they never heard of trades before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Looks like Kawhi is going to Toronto in exchange for DeMar Rosen (and some other stuff). Kawhi has said he has no interest in being in Toronto. This could get interesting.

    Lots of NBA players tweeting about the lack of loyalty in the NBA, especially in response to Rosen's trade. Have they never heard of trades before?
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    lol

    This response made me think Andre Miller was somehow involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Looks like Kawhi is going to Toronto in exchange for DeMar Rosen (and some other stuff). Kawhi has said he has no interest in being in Toronto. This could get interesting.

    Lots of NBA players tweeting about the lack of loyalty in the NBA, especially in response to Rosen's trade. Have they never heard of trades before?
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