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  • i think i said it earlier in the thread - this isn't rocket science. byu doesn't have very good players. they have Childs and sometimes Haws. outside of those two, they have nobody. that's how you get games like Illinois State where it comes down to a missed FT or two or a TO or two to decide a game. you should never have to worry about a couple FTs or TOs to decide wins/losses against a team like Illinois State.

    this group of "role players" is the worst i can remember, perhaps back before the Steve Cleveland days. and yes, tooblue, that includes the "MVP".
    I'm like LeBron James.
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    • Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
      i think i said it earlier in the thread - this isn't rocket science. byu doesn't have very good players. they have Childs and sometimes Haws. outside of those two, they have nobody. that's how you get games like Illinois State where it comes down to a missed FT or two or a TO or two to decide a game. you should never have to worry about a couple FTs or TOs to decide wins/losses against a team like Illinois State.

      this group of "role players" is the worst i can remember, perhaps back before the Steve Cleveland days. and yes, tooblue, that includes the "MVP".
      They would appear to have better players if they could make more open three point shots.

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      • Originally posted by BlueK View Post
        They would appear to have better players if they could make more open three point shots.
        of course there is a reason they can't make more open threes.

        because they aren't very good.
        I'm like LeBron James.
        -mpfunk

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        • Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
          of course there is a reason they can't make more open threes.

          because they aren't very good.
          Well, something still doesn't make sense. HS players not good enough to play in college can still make more than 10%. Good church ball players can shoot better than that. I'm thinking it's talent underperforming more than bad talent. Or it's a major confidence issue.
          Last edited by BlueK; 11-29-2018, 11:29 AM.

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          • Originally posted by BlueK View Post
            Well, something still doesn't make sense. HS players not good enough to play in college can still make more than 10%. Good church ball players can shoot better than that. I'm thinking it's talent underperforming more than bad talent. Or it's a major confidence issue.
            there is a difference between making threes in an empty gym, a church ball game, a hs game and making them against good D1 athletes. you say, but they are open - what is the difference? the difference is the pressure. the difference is that even if you are open, you have a 6'7" athlete running at you. it still comes down to talent. and even if they are "open", an "open" three in a church ball game is simply different than an "open" three in a D1 game which is different still than an open three in a NBA game.
            I'm like LeBron James.
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            • Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
              there is a difference between making threes in an empty gym, a church ball game, a hs game and making them against good D1 athletes. you say, but they are open - what is the difference? the difference is the pressure. the difference is that even if you are open, you have a 6'7" athlete running at you. it still comes down to talent. and even if they are "open", an "open" three in a church ball game is simply different than an "open" three in a D1 game which is different still than an open three in a NBA game.
              Ok, but so far their percentages are all worse than last year except for Haws and Seljaas who have improved. They didn't switch levels, so what else is going on?

              3pt %:
              Cannon:
              last year: .326
              this year: .214

              Hardnett:
              last year: .326
              this year: .261

              Nixon:
              last year: .238
              this year: .077

              Childs:
              last year: .313
              this year: .318

              Bergersen:
              last year: .400 (only 10 attempts)
              this year: .214

              Seljaas:
              last year: .295
              this year: .366

              Haws:
              last year: .309
              this year: .362
              Last edited by BlueK; 11-29-2018, 12:01 PM.

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              • Originally posted by BlueK View Post
                Ok, but so far their percentages are all worse than last year except for Haws and Seljaas who have improved. They didn't switch levels, so what else is going on?

                3pt %:
                Cannon:
                last year: .326
                this year: .214

                Hardnett:
                last year: .326
                this year: .261

                Nixon:
                last year: .238
                this year: .077

                Childs:
                last year: .313
                this year: .318

                Bergersen:
                last year: .400 (only 10 attempts)
                this year: .214

                Seljaas:
                last year: .295
                this year: .366

                Haws:
                last year: .309
                this year: .362
                Looks like Childs has a slight improvement.

                I'm kind of shocked that Bergersen was 40% last year - even if it was just 10 shots. My recollection was that the few times he got into games, he was quick on the trigger and consistently missed badly.
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                • Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
                  i think i said it earlier in the thread - this isn't rocket science. byu doesn't have very good players. they have Childs and sometimes Haws. outside of those two, they have nobody. that's how you get games like Illinois State where it comes down to a missed FT or two or a TO or two to decide a game. you should never have to worry about a couple FTs or TOs to decide wins/losses against a team like Illinois State.

                  this group of "role players" is the worst i can remember, perhaps back before the Steve Cleveland days. and yes, tooblue, that includes the "MVP".
                  Many here seem to wish it not be the case, but that is BYU's roster. It is what Rose has to work with and there is no one else is to blame but Rose for putting it together.

                  As for the worst roster talent wise that can be remembered, that's a ridiculous statement. The problem is, this is the least coachable roster that I can remember.

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                  • Originally posted by tooblue View Post
                    Many here seem to wish it not be the case, but that is BYU's roster. It is what Rose has to work with and no one else is to blame but Rose for putting it together.

                    As for the worst roster talent wise that can be remembered, that's a ridiculous statement. The problem is, this is the least coachable roster that I can remember.
                    of course that isn't what i said, but it's not important.
                    I'm like LeBron James.
                    -mpfunk

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                    • Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
                      of course that isn't what i said, but it's not important.
                      I understand you said role players, but that's precisely the problem isn't it. There is only one role player, or at least one guy capable and willing to play a role.

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                      • Originally posted by tooblue View Post
                        I understand you said role players, but that's precisely the problem isn't it. There is only one role player, or at least one guy capable and willing to play a role.
                        hardnett isn't the only one. i think baxter and harding are doing a pretty good job as well but they are just freshmen - they have a ways to go.
                        I'm like LeBron James.
                        -mpfunk

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                        • Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
                          hardnett isn't the only one. i think baxter and harding are doing a pretty good job as well but they are just freshmen - they have a ways to go.
                          This is BYU's roster ...

                          The Star player:

                          Childs

                          The Demi-star player(s):

                          Haws
                          Harding (looks like he could eventually be better than Haws)

                          The wanna-be star players, who should be role players, but struggle to accept their fate:

                          Hardnett
                          Emery (in fairness, the jury is still out)

                          The actual role players:

                          Nixon
                          Cannon

                          The I believe I'm at least a demi-star player, but just aren't:

                          Seljass
                          Baxter

                          The players who are wasting their chance to play a role of some kind:

                          Bergersen
                          Lee
                          Last edited by tooblue; 11-29-2018, 04:05 PM.

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                          • Not sure I agree that Haws is a Demi-star player.
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                            • This team sucks.
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                              • Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                                This team sucks.
                                Of course they suck. This isn't a team that requires a lot of analysis to explain why they don't play well.
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