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Originally posted by RC Vikings View PostCan someone explain to me what "Non-consensual immorality" is. It seems it would need to be consensual to be immoral.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by RC Vikings View PostCan someone explain to me what "Non-consensual immorality" is. It seems it would need to be consensual to be immoral."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostDumb choice of words, but the reaction has been ridiculous.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by falafel View PostUh, rape? Seems pretty immoral to me.
Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostDumb choice of words, but the reaction has been ridiculous.
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Originally posted by RC Vikings View PostIt's kinda blown up, he's a smart guy I wonder why he went with what he did.
Members sometimes ask why Church disciplinary councils are held. The purpose is threefold: to save the soul of the transgressor, to protect the innocent, and to safeguard the Church’s purity, integrity, and good name.
The First Presidency has instructed that disciplinary councils must be held in cases of murder, incest, or apostasy. A disciplinary council must also be held when a prominent Church leader commits a serious transgression, when the transgressor is a predator who may be a threat to other persons, when the person shows a pattern of repeated serious transgressions, when a serious transgression is widely known, and when the transgressor is guilty of serious deceptive practices and false representations or other terms of fraud or dishonesty in business transactions.
Disciplinary councils may also be convened to consider a member’s standing in the Church following serious transgression such as abortion, transsexual operation, attempted murder, rape, forcible sexual abuse, intentionally inflicting serious physical injuries on others, adultery, fornication, homosexual relations, child abuse (sexual or physical), spouse abuse, deliberate abandonment of family responsibilities, robbery, burglary, embezzlement, theft, sale of illegal drugs, fraud, perjury, or false swearing.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by RC Vikings View PostI was listening and wasn't really sure what he meant. It just seems like it would need to be consensual to be immoral for both parties involved.
It's kinda blown up, he's a smart guy I wonder why he went with what he did.
I am guessing he thought "nonconsensual sex" was a little jarring for a conference talk so he went with "nonconsensual immorality" instead."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostDumb choice of words, but the reaction has been ridiculous.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostI also don’t like the word choice (reminds me of SSA) but the nice thing about using non consensual immorality is that it covers more than rape. It’s a broader term in that it can cover sexual assault and just sexual misconduct."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostI also don’t like the word choice (reminds me of SSA) but the nice thing about using non consensual immorality is that it covers more than rape. It’s a broader term in that it can cover sexual assault and just sexual misconduct.
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I've thought about this term quite a bit since he used it. It was, unquestionably, a poor choice of words, especially given the present climate. I cringed when he used it and actually commented to Mrs. D that it would be in the news within 24 hours. SUwish!
That said, when taken in context, Cook was clearly speaking to those who act immorally against another without their consent; he was clearly not implying immorality on the part of the victim. The term is truthful when you break it down. Someone who has raped or sexually assaulted another has acted immorally against another without their consent. But culturally as Mormons, and socially as Americans, we are conditioned to associate the word "immorality" in the sexual context with two consenting people acting together. So that choice of word leaves things wide open for the inference of immorality by the victim.
It was a mistake by Cook made out of an attempt to soften the harshness of tone. But one thing I think all church leaders, including the brethren, would do well to learn is that intentionally avoiding terms that are uncomfortable, albeit medically/scientifically/legally accurate, often gives those terms more power. More often than not, using the actual correct terms demystifies things.Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock
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Self abuse and little factory agree.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by cowboy View PostYou are younger than I, but you should be old enough to know that we never set attainable goals in this church."...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUte
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Just got another letter on the new ministering program. EQ and RS presidencies are asked to do ministering interviews once per quarter. A chat with either of the two companions is sufficient. The only thing submitted up the line for reporting will be the percentage of companionships interviewed by the EQ and RS presidents during the quarter."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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