2018 BYU Cougar Football Thread

[Pelado]

Did I miss something? Isnt Chase Roberts committed to BYU?

I think that's what he's saying.

[creekster]

I think that's what he's saying.

AH, yes. I did miss something. Thx

[hostile]

Did I miss something? Isnt Chase Roberts committed to BYU?

Those are other schools that have offered

EDIT: you already know that. Didn’t refresh before answering.

[creekster]

Those are other schools that have offered

EDIT: you already know that. Didn’t refresh before answering.

Thats not nearly as bad as not reading before you post, which is what I too often do.

[Surfah]

Crazy.

It's not that bad. CJ omitted a few.

2018
Wilson (Cal, Minnesota, Iowa, Syracuse, Oregon State)
Romney (Arizona, ASU, Utah, Iowa State)
Holker (Oregon State)
Finau (Utah)
Nasilai (Ok State)
Pay (Utah)
Opara (Utah)

2019
Conover (ASU, Arizona, Bama, Northwestern, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Oregon State, Wazzu)
Roberts (Utah)
Unutoa (Cal, Iowa State)
Freeland (Utah, Vandy)
Fiatoa (Oregon State)
Gunderson (Purdue)

Not great still and the dearth of skill players is concerning, but let's be real, that's always going to be an issue at BYU. We have to take flyers on kids and hope they develop and can make it 4 years at BYU. Also, some kids like Pay for example, committed early and shut down their recruiting. He likely would have picked up more offers. Also, mission kids typically, unless they're elite, don't get offers held for them.

Utah going to the P12 brought the rest of the conference to the state. You always had to compete with the blue bloods for the top kids. But now schools like Stanford and Washington are becoming a problem.

[frank ryan]

The talent pool for LDS kids and in the state of Utah has never been better.

Since Kalani was hired, these are the kids we offered with Utah or LDS ties that he didn't land:

2016
Cole Fotheringham- 3 star (Utah)
Garrett Bolles- 4 star (Utah)
Tucker Scott- 3 star (Utah)
Keaton Bills- 3 star (Utah)
Paul FInau- 2 star (Utah)
Johnny Maea- 3 star (Utah)
Frederick Mauigoa- 3 star (Washington State)
Sean Auwae- 3 star (Vandy)
Maxs Tupai- 4 star (Utah)
Pookie Maka- 3 star (Colorado)
LOa Kaufusi- 3 star (Stanford)
Bradlee Anae- 3 star (Utah)
Derrick Brown- 5 star (Auburn)
MIque Juarez- 5 star (UCLA)
Drue Chrisman- 3 star (Ohio State)

2017
Sione Lund- 4 star (Stanford then Utah, missed him twice)
Kesi Ah-Hoy- 3 star (Oregon state)
Ty Jones- 4 star (Washington)_
Taniela Pututau- 3 star (Utah)
Chuck Filiaga- 4 star (Michigan)
JOrdan Agasiva- 3 star (Utah)
MO Unutoa- 3 star (Utah)
Jay Tufele- 4 star (USC)
Marlon Tuipulotu- 4 star (USC)
John Penisini- 3 star (Utah)
Levani Damuni- 3 star (Stanford)
Taylor Katoa- 3 star (USC)

2018
Tanner Mckee- 5 star (Stanford)
Tevita Fotu- 3 star (Utah)
Tae Le- 3 star (Stanford)
Juniot Angilau- 4 star (Texas)
Jaren Kump- 3 star (Utah)
Penei Sewell- 4 star (Oregon)
Sam Taimani- 4 star (Washington)
Jacob Isaia- 3 star (Michigan State)
Cameron Latu- 4 star (Alabama)
MIka Tafua- 4 star (Utah)
Samson Reed- 3 star (Virginia)
Jonny Fanaika- 3 star (Utah)
Tommy Togiai- 4 star (Ohio State)
Tyler Manoa- 4 star (UCLA)
Paul Maile- 3 star (Utah)
Brandon Kaho- 4 star (Alabama)
MJ Tafisi- 3 star (Washington)
Merlin Robertson- 4 star (ASU)
Tennessee Pututau- 3 star (Utah)
Salua Masina- 3 star (Vandy)
Karene Reid- 3 star (Utah State)
Allan Mwata- 3 star (SDSU)

For a guy who prides himself on recruiting, this is a real problem with Kalani.

To show both sides, these are the kids with P5 offers he did land:

2016

Sione Finau- 3 star (Offers: Oregon State)
Jonah Trinnaman- 3 star (Oregon state, Utah)
Hank Tuipulotu- 3 star (South Carolina)
Keanu Saleapaga- 3 star (USC, Arizona, Colorado, ORegon State, Pitt, Texas Tech)
Handsome Tanielu- JC 4 star (ORegon State, Utah, Arizona, Baylor, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, NEbraska, Mizzou, Oklahoma, Ok State, Penn State, TCU, Texas, Washington State, Washington)
Keenan Pili- 3 star (Cal, Utah, Vandy, Washington State)
Jackson Kaufusi- 3 star (Utah Cal, Washington State)
HIrkley Latu- 3 star (Oregon State, Utah)
Troy Warner- 4 star (USC, Arizona, BC, Cal, Notre Dame, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Utah)
Drew Jensen- 2 star (Utah)

2017
D'Angelo Gunter-Mandell- 3 star (Vandy)
Bentley Hanshaw- 3 star (Oregon State)
Langi Tuifua- 4 star (Oregon, Michigan, Utah)
Alden Tofa- 3 star (Arizona, Colorado, ORegon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, Utah, Vandy, Washington State)
Chaz Ah You- 4 star (UCLA, Washington, Cal, Duke)

2018
Gunnar Romney- 3 star (Arizona, ASU)
Oliver Nasilai- 3 star (Ok State)
Zach Wilson- 3 star (CAL)

As you can see it gets worse and worse.


2019 (assuming they stay committed)

Jacob Conover- 4 star (ASU, Alabama, Arizona)
Chase Roberts- 3 star (Utah)
Elijah Unutoa- 3 star (Cal)
Blake Freeland- 3 star (Utah, Vandy)

Regarding 2018:

Campbell Barrington has an Arizona offer.
Alex Miskella had a late ASU offer.
Tausinga reported he had a couple PAC-12 offers, including Oregon.
Connor Pay had a Utah offer
Amone Finau had a Utah offer

2017:

Tyler Batty (Utah)
Mango Finau (had an Oregon State offer)
John Vaka (Oregon)
Tonga (Utah)
Lorenzo Fauatea (Utah, Oregon State)

2016:

Max Tooley (Utah, WAZZU, Cal, Arizona)
Jaren Hall (Utah)
Alema Pilimai (Utah, WAZZU, Oregon State)
Freddy Livai (Oregon State, Colorado)

[frank ryan]

It's not that bad. CJ omitted a few.

2018
Wilson (Cal, Minnesota, Iowa, Syracuse, Oregon State)
Romney (Arizona, ASU, Utah, Iowa State)
Holker (Oregon State)
Finau (Utah)
Nasilai (Ok State)
Pay (Utah)
Opara (Utah)

2019
Conover (ASU, Arizona, Bama, Northwestern, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Oregon State, Wazzu)
Roberts (Utah)
Unutoa (Cal, Iowa State)
Freeland (Utah, Vandy)
Fiatoa (Oregon State)
Gunderson (Purdue)

Not great still and the dearth of skill players is concerning, but let's be real, that's always going to be an issue at BYU. We have to take flyers on kids and hope they develop and can make it 4 years at BYU. Also, some kids like Pay for example, committed early and shut down their recruiting. He likely would have picked up more offers. Also, mission kids typically, unless they're elite, don't get offers held for them.

Utah going to the P12 brought the rest of the conference to the state. You always had to compete with the blue bloods for the top kids. But now schools like Stanford and Washington are becoming a problem.

Tysen Lewis was getting a lot of love from UCLA. You also have to look at transfers and post-mission transfers as part of the recruiting classes.

Tolutau (Utah, Wisconsin).
Tukuafu (Utah)
Hoge (Notre Dame, a whole bunch of others).
Collie (Wake Forest, Vandy)
Kirby (Oregon, Wazzu, Utah)
Tre Greene (Iowa State)
Khryis Tonga (Utah)
John Vaka (Oregon)
Christian Folau (Utah, Oregon State, others).


I'm unsure if Lee had another options when he transferred over.

[Babs]

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Found a friend of y’all’s at the hall of fame. Did he really look that grumpy?

[BigFatMeanie]

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Found a friend of y’all’s at the hall of fame. Did he really look that grumpy?

Yup. He was famous for that look.

[Omaha 680]

I feel like we are doing significantly better on offense with Wilson but know the numbers probably dont show it. I just took an extremely oversimplified look at our offense vs opponents' defenses under each starting QB.

6 Mangum Starts: Opp season average total defense 352. BYU average total offense 306. Difference -46.

4 Wilson Starts: Opp season average total defense 411. BYU average total offense 388. Difference -23.

So we are doing significantly better with Wilson on average, but the defenses we have faced are also significantly worse. Huge revelation, I know. I am very excited about his future though.

BTW we have only gained more on offense than an opponent's total defense average in two games this year: Boyzee and Hawaii.

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[old_gregg]

adjust that for pass attempts

[Omaha 680]

adjust that for pass attempts

I said it was oversimplified!

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[happyone]

[ATTACH]9205[/ATTACH]

Found a friend of y’all’s at the hall of fame. Did he really look that grumpy?

Yes, but...

I met him during my mission (BYU didn't go bowling that year and arranged a tour of Japanese Colleges with a game in Nagoya with some Japanese "All Stars" - it was a rout) When they visited Kyoto and Kobe, some missionaries translated for them. My comp at the time had been his Home Teaching Companion. So, we go to visit with him a bit, IIRC about 15-20 minutes. When he got home he sent my parents a note saying he had seen me and I was doing well. They were really surprised, since I hadn't bothered to tell them I had met him.

I also met Giff Nielson and Marc Wilson - Giff seemed really nice, Marc seemed a bit aloof.

[PaloAltoCougar]

If I were running things (and there are many excellent reasons why I am not), when/if BYU is leading this Saturday, I'd try to get Mangum into the game as early as possible, certainly long before garbage time, and hope he could lead the team on a scoring drive. Assuming he succeeds, then during a subsequent drive I'd sub in Wilson (or if it's a blowout, Hall or whomever), and let the crowd give Tanner a standing O as he trots off the field. I have immense respect for the kid and hope he receives the recognition he deserves.

Edit: Just saw the Trib article that says essentially the same thing.

[cougjunkie]

If I were running things (and there are many excellent reasons why I am not), when/if BYU is leading this Saturday, I'd try to get Mangum into the game as early as possible, certainly long before garbage time, and hope he could lead the team on a scoring drive. Assuming he succeeds, then during a subsequent drive I'd sub in Wilson (or if it's a blowout, Hall or whomever), and let the crowd give Tanner a standing O as he trots off the field. I have immense respect for the kid and hope he receives the recognition he deserves.

Edit: Just saw the Trib article that says essentially the same thing.

Kalani basically said that’s not going to happen. Spencer Linton suggested the same thing. And Kalani said “yeah we are just trying to win the game” he also said Tanner has been hurt the last few weeks.


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