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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    i haven't heard what he's doing now. which one did he take?
    None of them. He left hoop to make real money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    None of them. He left hoop to make real money.
    What offers did Nashif have coaching wise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    What offers did Nashif have coaching wise?
    I know of two. Both would have been good steps but required him to leave the Y.

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    I am wondering if Holmoe locked in Rose because a decision has been made to spend as much of the available resources on football, even if it is to the detriment of the hoops program. Dave is well liked and a fairly popular coach outside of BYU. He has a group of former player/cheap assistants and resources spent in keeping hoops competing could be re-directed. I think part of the reason that the U cratered was that Hill spent as much money as he could, to the detriment of Ute hoops, on football with the dream that it would help the football program to be as competitive as possible and as attractive to a BCS conference as possible.

    I know Occams Razor would tell me that for whatever reason Rose has just assumed auto-pilot and is following the path of least resistance- which I think many coaches at BYU end up on that pathway after encountering various difficulties with the admin. Rose had such excitement when he started as I recall him specifically saying "I will never tell my players they could never make the Final 4." Which was a semi-rebuke of Cleveland's occassional being the voice of reality wrt BYU's hoops potential. Now, look at Rose. That excitement and optimism is a relic of what used to be- I think coaching at BYU can do that to you when you experience enough Brandon Davies' missing the tourney and some Russian stud you have lined up to come who is not admitted. I just think coaching at the Y becomes a grind. I get all that and realize Rose has lost his intensity, and I can even empathize with him. I just can't get my mind around an extension at this point in time. Makes no sense, then I had the thought that perhaps BYU knows with Rose and cheap assistants a bunch of good mormon boys who want to be at BYU the hoops program can stay mediocre for another 3 years while the extra AD revenue could be spent on football improvements. Whenever the next beauty contest of inclusion into the beautiful people club will be based far more on football than any other sport. Further, rebuilding hoops is much easier than rebuilding football - remember how my picking up Tyrell Lyday changed the hoops team?

    On the other hand maybe I am just demonstrating that we are a people of faith who can find something good in something so not good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    I am wondering if Holmoe locked in Rose because a decision has been made to spend as much of the available resources on football, even if it is to the detriment of the hoops program. Dave is well liked and a fairly popular coach outside of BYU. He has a group of former player/cheap assistants and resources spent in keeping hoops competing could be re-directed. I think part of the reason that the U cratered was that Hill spent as much money as he could, to the detriment of Ute hoops, on football with the dream that it would help the football program to be as competitive as possible and as attractive to a BCS conference as possible.

    I know Occams Razor would tell me that for whatever reason Rose has just assumed auto-pilot and is following the path of least resistance- which I think many coaches at BYU end up on that pathway after encountering various difficulties with the admin. Rose had such excitement when he started as I recall him specifically saying "I will never tell my players they could never make the Final 4." Which was a semi-rebuke of Cleveland's occassional being the voice of reality wrt BYU's hoops potential. Now, look at Rose. That excitement and optimism is a relic of what used to be- I think coaching at BYU can do that to you when you experience enough Brandon Davies' missing the tourney and some Russian stud you have lined up to come who is not admitted. I just think coaching at the Y becomes a grind. I get all that and realize Rose has lost his intensity, and I can even empathize with him. I just can't get my mind around an extension at this point in time. Makes no sense, then I had the thought that perhaps BYU knows with Rose and cheap assistants a bunch of good mormon boys who want to be at BYU the hoops program can stay mediocre for another 3 years while the extra AD revenue could be spent on football improvements. Whenever the next beauty contest of inclusion into the beautiful people club will be based far more on football than any other sport. Further, rebuilding hoops is much easier than rebuilding football - remember how my picking up Tyrell Lyday changed the hoops team?

    On the other hand maybe I am just demonstrating that we are a people of faith who can find something good in something so not good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    I am wondering if Holmoe locked in Rose because a decision has been made to spend as much of the available resources on football, even if it is to the detriment of the hoops program. Dave is well liked and a fairly popular coach outside of BYU. He has a group of former player/cheap assistants and resources spent in keeping hoops competing could be re-directed. I think part of the reason that the U cratered was that Hill spent as much money as he could, to the detriment of Ute hoops, on football with the dream that it would help the football program to be as competitive as possible and as attractive to a BCS conference as possible.

    I know Occams Razor would tell me that for whatever reason Rose has just assumed auto-pilot and is following the path of least resistance- which I think many coaches at BYU end up on that pathway after encountering various difficulties with the admin. Rose had such excitement when he started as I recall him specifically saying "I will never tell my players they could never make the Final 4." Which was a semi-rebuke of Cleveland's occassional being the voice of reality wrt BYU's hoops potential. Now, look at Rose. That excitement and optimism is a relic of what used to be- I think coaching at BYU can do that to you when you experience enough Brandon Davies' missing the tourney and some Russian stud you have lined up to come who is not admitted. I just think coaching at the Y becomes a grind. I get all that and realize Rose has lost his intensity, and I can even empathize with him. I just can't get my mind around an extension at this point in time. Makes no sense, then I had the thought that perhaps BYU knows with Rose and cheap assistants a bunch of good mormon boys who want to be at BYU the hoops program can stay mediocre for another 3 years while the extra AD revenue could be spent on football improvements. Whenever the next beauty contest of inclusion into the beautiful people club will be based far more on football than any other sport. Further, rebuilding hoops is much easier than rebuilding football - remember how my picking up Tyrell Lyday changed the hoops team?

    On the other hand maybe I am just demonstrating that we are a people of faith who can find something good in something so not good.
    Lots of good speculation. Sounds as plausible as any other explanation. The Davies fiasco broke my faith in BYU administration permanently.
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    An article I ran across that perfectly expresses my thoughts.
    https://lawlessrepublic.com/2019/01/...ls-roses-seat/
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    my speculative thought is that Rose has been eyeing retirement anyway, and the recent one-year contract extension is the administration wanting a couple more years for the obvious candidates to develop just a bit more to be ready to take it then. I'm thinking guys like Pope, Peery, Lewis, maybe a couple of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    An article I ran across that perfectly expresses my thoughts.
    https://lawlessrepublic.com/2019/01/...ls-roses-seat/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    Uh, Larry K is the 8th highest paid coach in the country.
    I meant the cratering was post Majerus. That salary for Larry K was after the move into the PAC and increased AD revenues.
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    This team a dumpster fire.

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    While Rose has somewhat underperformed, he has arguably one of the toughest jobs in D1. The fans have high expectations, and being BYU really limits that talent he can bring in. Utah has a good bball scene for kids, but genetics are what they are, and you aren't going to get a lot of elite bball ATHLETES from the LDS faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inphywog View Post
    While Rose has somewhat underperformed, he has arguably one of the toughest jobs in D1. The fans have high expectations, and being BYU really limits that talent he can bring in. Utah has a good bball scene for kids, but genetics are what they are, and you aren't going to get a lot of elite bball ATHLETES from the LDS faith.
    I have issues with how Rose has recruited over the years. First 5 years of his tenure he had some nice Brazilian players that rounded out the roster. Araujo, Lemes, Tavernari. He lost the assistant responsible for that and made no attempt to replace it or keep it going.

    Post-Jimmer he relied to heavily on the LP3. Matt Cannon might be a fine young man, but there simply shouldn't be space on BYU's roster for him. His assistants are less diverse than ever, increasingly former players with very few recruiting ties.

    I like Coach Rose. I like his style. When everyone thought BYU had to play Roger Reid-style basketball to win at BYU, he opened it up and proved you could win at BYU playing a fast, fun style. That style led to better recruiting of the LDS athlete. Unfortunately, the program is in a slow decline since the WCC switch. We need someone to spark a turnaround. There are some great candidates out there (Mark Pope, Alex Jensen). I think it's time to make the move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wapiti View Post
    I have issues with how Rose has recruited over the years. First 5 years of his tenure he had some nice Brazilian players that rounded out the roster. Araujo, Lemes, Tavernari. He lost the assistant responsible for that and made no attempt to replace it or keep it going.

    Post-Jimmer he relied to heavily on the LP3. Matt Cannon might be a fine young man, but there simply shouldn't be space on BYU's roster for him. His assistants are less diverse than ever, increasingly former players with very few recruiting ties.

    I like Coach Rose. I like his style. When everyone thought BYU had to play Roger Reid-style basketball to win at BYU, he opened it up and proved you could win at BYU playing a fast, fun style. That style led to better recruiting of the LDS athlete. Unfortunately, the program is in a slow decline since the WCC switch. We need someone to spark a turnaround. There are some great candidates out there (Mark Pope, Alex Jensen). I think it's time to make the move.
    The only Brazilian on your list from Rose's tenure is Tavernari.

    Post Jimmer really hasn't been LP3 centric.

    The following averaged 25+ mpg and 10+ppg.

    Hartsock, Davies, Carlino, Abouo
    Haws, Davies, Carlino
    Haws, Collinsworth, Carlino, Mika
    Haws, Collinsworth, Fischer, Winder
    Fischer, Emery, Collinsworth, Davis
    Mika, TJ Haws, Emery, Bryant
    Bryant, Childs, TJ Haws
    Childs, TJ Haws

    Only one year with multiple LP3.

    By Matt Cannon I assume you mean McKay Cannon who currently leads the team in 3p%, A/TO ratio and has done a great job on the defensive end the past months or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
    The only Brazilian on your list from Rose's tenure is Tavernari.

    Post Jimmer really hasn't been LP3 centric.

    The following averaged 25+ mpg and 10+ppg.

    Hartsock, Davies, Carlino, Abouo
    Haws, Davies, Carlino
    Haws, Collinsworth, Carlino, Mika
    Haws, Collinsworth, Fischer, Winder
    Fischer, Emery, Collinsworth, Davis
    Mika, TJ Haws, Emery, Bryant
    Bryant, Childs, TJ Haws
    Childs, TJ Haws

    Only one year with multiple LP3.

    By Matt Cannon I assume you mean McKay Cannon who currently leads the team in 3p%, A/TO ratio and has done a great job on the defensive end the past months or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
    The only Brazilian on your list from Rose's tenure is Tavernari.

    Post Jimmer really hasn't been LP3 centric.

    The following averaged 25+ mpg and 10+ppg.

    Hartsock, Davies, Carlino, Abouo
    Haws, Davies, Carlino
    Haws, Collinsworth, Carlino, Mika
    Haws, Collinsworth, Fischer, Winder
    Fischer, Emery, Collinsworth, Davis
    Mika, TJ Haws, Emery, Bryant
    Bryant, Childs, TJ Haws
    Childs, TJ Haws

    Only one year with multiple LP3.

    By Matt Cannon I assume you mean McKay Cannon who currently leads the team in 3p%, A/TO ratio and has done a great job on the defensive end the past months or so.
    I'll stay off this thread for a while . . .

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    Damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    Damn.
    Is he leaving? Worse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Is he leaving? Worse?
    Worse would be signing another extension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    Worse would be signing another extension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cougjunkie View Post
    His cancer is back.


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    That's what I was afraid of. Damn it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cougjunkie View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by cougjunkie View Post
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    Dang, that sucks for him and his family.

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    Terrible news. He is a great guy; y'all have been lucky to have him this long. Best wishes to the rose family.

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