I am trying to imagine a career where my job security and pay were not a result of my performance or actual worth, but a lawsuit I fired against my bosses. Sounds like a soul-crushing existence. Not surprised a lawyer suggested it.
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostSo a guy with zero skin in the game knows some people who were able to successfully sue their employers? OK, I am convinced. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
In the course of my employment, I deal with these issues regularly. I don't think it's coincidence that the two people who are encouraging reporting are the two who likely deal with these issues on a regular basis.Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.
"Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostPS, you seem to be describing a company that's at least >20 companies, ie multiple officers of the company, separate HR function, etc. I'm kind of shocked any company that large would have a hiring plan of only hiring active LDS. My company never got bigger than six employees, and I'm based in Utah County, and it would have constrained me significantly to have a plan like that in place. Weird.
His antics are not representative of all, but there are some just like him.
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostI am trying to imagine a career where my job security and pay were not a result of my performance or actual worth, but a lawsuit I fired against my bosses. Sounds like a soul-crushing existence. Not surprised a lawyer suggested it."...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
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Do you like the job? If not, go hunting for something else. Sounds like the corporate culture is oppressive and you won't ever fit in there, regardless of how successful an HR claim and/or lawsuit may be. I don't want to discount the value of those things, they can be incredibly beneficial to a workplace environment. But often the main beneficiaries are those who come afterward while costing the complainer advancement opportunities as well as significant emotional and/or financial distress.
Life is too short to deal with that kind of nonsense. Vote with your feet.
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostI am trying to imagine a career where my job security and pay were not a result of my performance or actual worth, but a lawsuit I fired against my bosses. Sounds like a soul-crushing existence. Not surprised a lawyer suggested it.
Mr. Bean could also report this anonymously, or have a face to face with HR under the guise of "I don't want anyone to get in trouble, but can we encourage folks to avoid these type of conversations?"Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.
"Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson
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Originally posted by YOhio View PostDo you like the job? If not, go hunting for something else. Sounds like the corporate culture is oppressive and you won't ever fit in there, regardless of how successful an HR claim and/or lawsuit may be. I don't want to discount the value of those things, they can be incredibly beneficial to a workplace environment. But often the main beneficiaries are those who come afterward while costing the complainer advancement opportunities as well as significant emotional and/or financial distress.
Life is too short to deal with that kind of nonsense. Vote with your feet.
I have worked at this company for 16 years and was my first job out of byu. We were recently sold to a private equity firm and things are definitely different now. I actually like my job and get compensated above what I would likely get elsewhere so really don't want to leave.
I think I'll keep quiet for now but will keep records in case something happens.
Thanks everyone for the advice.
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Originally posted by YOhio View PostDo you like the job? If not, go hunting for something else. Sounds like the corporate culture is oppressive and you won't ever fit in there, regardless of how successful an HR claim and/or lawsuit may be. I don't want to discount the value of those things, they can be incredibly beneficial to a workplace environment. But often the main beneficiaries are those who come afterward while costing the complainer advancement opportunities as well as significant emotional and/or financial distress.
Life is too short to deal with that kind of nonsense. Vote with your feet.Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.
"Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson
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Originally posted by Katy Lied View PostScientologists do this all the time to employees who become declared Suppressive Persons. Employers receive notification from the church that their employee is not in good standing, and then the employer starts documenting how the employee is screwing up. Then the boss and every other employee lie through their teeth about how bad the employee is. Commendations in personnel files disappear overnight. Paperwork is revised and postdated.
Scientology=MormonismWhen a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Originally posted by YOhio View PostDo you like the job? If not, go hunting for something else. Sounds like the corporate culture is oppressive and you won't ever fit in there, regardless of how successful an HR claim and/or lawsuit may be. I don't want to discount the value of those things, they can be incredibly beneficial to a workplace environment. But often the main beneficiaries are those who come afterward while costing the complainer advancement opportunities as well as significant emotional and/or financial distress.
Life is too short to deal with that kind of nonsense. Vote with your feet.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Originally posted by Mr Bean View PostThere is almost zero chance the other person in this meeting would stick his neck out for me if he were asked to confirm the events as i described them. If I did come forward, HR would likely interview both of them and both would surely vehemently deny it and it would be my word against 2. Doesn't seem like a fight worth taking up; unless I already have a landing spot ready to move on to. Sounds like it's time to start looking for a new job.
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Two thoughts:
1. Litigation should never be taken lightly or with the expectation of an easy victory. It is expensive, time consuming and emotionally difficult and it takes on a life of its own. It can be necessary, but I lean to the Yohio view of its worth.
2. This is minor but I hope that when you say you email records to yourself you are not doing so on the company servers or with your work account. Keeping a log/diary of events is a great idea. Using the company server to email it to yourself is not a great follow-up, in my mind.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by Mr Bean View PostI have worked at this company for 16 years and was my first job out of byu. We were recently sold to a private equity firm and things are definitely different now. I actually like my job and get compensated above what I would likely get elsewhere so really don't want to leave.
Regardless, good luck!
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Originally posted by Green Monstah View PostWhat would you do if he likes his job? I imagine in the course of your career you've dealt with these type of issues regularly.
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