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    Quote Originally Posted by USUC View Post
    I guess it makes sense to add Oaks given he is next in line, but I'm a little surprised that Uchtdorf is gone. Can anything on the new direction of the Church be inferred from this new line up?
    As a general rule I would say no, but I'm certain that it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    As a general rule I would say no, but I'm certain that it will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Tick View Post
    Yep.

    Not that anyone cares...but outside of the Church this will be seen as a doubling down after President Oak's last talk at General Conference.
    For better or worse, Oaks is going to be president and possibly for a decade or more. It's kind of inevitable so I'm not sure this changes much. Maybe just accelerates the angst of the exmo crowd.
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    Where is ERCoug to give us the lowdown on how John Dehlin feels about this change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    What can I say, except, you're welcome!
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    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Where is ERCoug to give us the lowdown on how John Dehlin feels about this change?
    I bet he's thrilled. It's good for business!
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    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Who is the designated survivor for this meeting? Looks like everyone is there.
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    I’m sad that this will mean less Uchtdorf at GC/PHood. I know there are reasons other than public speaking, but for the general member of the church that’s he most important thing the FP/Q12 does, sad losing by far the best speaker from every PHood sesh. I’m guessing we will get a long SSA talk this April.
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    Guys, please remember that President Oaks was President of BYU when the football team began its ascendancy. This is the dawn of a brighter day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    I’m sad that this will mean less Uchtdorf at GC/PHood. I know there are reasons other than public speaking, but for the general member of the church that’s he most important thing the FP/Q12 does, sad losing by far the best speaker from every PHood sesh. I’m guessing we will get a long SSA talk this April.
    Maybe he ran out of airplane stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Tick View Post
    Yep.

    Not that anyone cares...but outside of the Church this will be seen as a doubling down after President Oak's last talk at General Conference.
    What specifically was he doubling down on that would be a change from the current direction? The SCOTUS basically ensures a Prop 8 law ain't in the future. To me, Uchtdorf played the important role of communicating that the Church is loving and focusing on the positivity of the gospel. He counterbalanced the fire and brimstone of leaders like Oaks. Focusing exclusively on the negativity and moral corruption of the world isn't a winning strategy. I hope that isn't what is the focus moving forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copelius View Post
    But Pres Nelson still rocking the combover to the extent he can. I told my wife it is time for me to follow the prophet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    Guys, please remember that President Oaks was President of BYU when the football team began its ascendancy. This is the dawn of a brighter day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    Guys, please remember that President Oaks was President of BYU when the football team began its ascendancy. This is the dawn of a brighter day.
    So he’s being reassigned go BYU?
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    Right out of the gate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    Guys, please remember that President Oaks was President of BYU when the football team began its ascendancy. This is the dawn of a brighter day.
    You alumni gotta stick together

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJF View Post
    Right out of the gate.
    Yep. Was just going to say that.

    I think these questions are going to continue coming at them.

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    This is a dynamic we don't usually get to see-- three church leaders, sitting at a table, just discussing an issue. Kind of interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Tick View Post
    Yep. Was just going to say that.

    I think these questions are going to continue coming at them.
    What was asked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    This is a dynamic we don't usually get to see-- three church leaders, sitting at a table, just discussing an issue. Kind of interesting.
    Interesting in a horrific way, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    What was asked?
    First question out of the gate was how the Church was going to handle LGBT issues under the new Presidency.

    3rd question was from Peggy Fletcher Stack. She basically asked "You all are white men from America. How are women and people of color going to be represented in this new Presidency."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    What was asked?
    How this presidency would address the LBGT issues.
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    Great news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Tick View Post
    First question out of the gate was how the Church was going to handle LGBT issues under the new Presidency.

    3rd question was from Peggy Fletcher Stack. She basically asked "You all are white men from America. How are women and people of color going to be represented in this new Presidency."
    IMO, there will be no digression on the progress that has been made. If I believe these men are called of God (and I do) thing will continue to progress and move in a positive direction. Maybe not as quickly as I would like in some areas. We are not going back to 1975 views and mores -- well unless you attend BYU-I.

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    The last thing this first presidency needs is a moderating influence.

    Go hard or go home!

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    Is this for real? I found this back in 2007. Not sure if this is accurately documented.

    Forum: The church has said it neither promotes nor opposes capital punishment. It says it “opposes elective abortion for personal or social convenience.” It does not oppose removing a medical patient from “artificial means of life support.” Different denominations deal differently with questions about life’s origins and development. Conservative denominations tend to have more trouble with Darwinian evolution. Does the church have an official position on this topic?

    Nelson: We believe that God is our creator and that he has created other forms of life. It’s interesting to me, drawing on my 40 years experience as a medical doctor, how similar those species are. We developed open-heart surgery, for example, experimenting on lower animals simply because the same creator made the human being. We owe a lot to those lower species. But to think that man evolved from one species to another is, to me, incomprehensible.

    Forum: Why is that?

    Nelson: Man has always been man. Dogs have always been dogs. Monkeys have always been monkeys. It’s just the way genetics works.

    Wickman: The Scripture describing the Lord as the creator of all of these things says very little about how it was done. I don’t know of anybody in the ranks of the First Presidency and the Twelve [Apostles] who has ever spent much time worrying about this matter of evolution.

    Nelson: We have this doctrine, recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 101: “When the Lord shall come again, he shall reveal all things, things which have passed, hidden things which no man knew, things of the earth by which it was made and the purpose and the end thereof, things most precious, things that are above, things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, upon the earth, and in heaven.” So as I close that quotation, I realize that there are just some things that we won’t know until that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I've been a highly unorthodox yet fiercely loyal and optimistic member for a long time. Not trying to be dramatic but this is the first time I've felt a little hopeless and dark about the future of the church. Feels like a punch to the stomach. It wasn't done without meaning. This has only happened once in the last 100 years. Uchtdorf is very popular and is viewed as being the most progressive of the bunch.
    Nobody on this board could be a bigger DFU fan than me, but I didn't see this as any kind of symbolic swipe against his popularity or progressive nature. DHO is next in line to be the prophet. Makes total sense to put him in the presidency. Anyone who sees any meaning beyond that is looking to stir up drama.

    That being said, the biggest downside of this is that we will likely get to hear fewer DFU talks in GC. Bummer. DHO talks are a little too legalistic for my tastes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    Is this for real? I found this back in 2007. Not sure if this is accurately documented.

    Forum: The church has said it neither promotes nor opposes capital punishment. It says it “opposes elective abortion for personal or social convenience.” It does not oppose removing a medical patient from “artificial means of life support.” Different denominations deal differently with questions about life’s origins and development. Conservative denominations tend to have more trouble with Darwinian evolution. Does the church have an official position on this topic?

    Nelson: We believe that God is our creator and that he has created other forms of life. It’s interesting to me, drawing on my 40 years experience as a medical doctor, how similar those species are. We developed open-heart surgery, for example, experimenting on lower animals simply because the same creator made the human being. We owe a lot to those lower species. But to think that man evolved from one species to another is, to me, incomprehensible.

    Forum: Why is that?

    Nelson: Man has always been man. Dogs have always been dogs. Monkeys have always been monkeys. It’s just the way genetics works.

    Wickman: The Scripture describing the Lord as the creator of all of these things says very little about how it was done. I don’t know of anybody in the ranks of the First Presidency and the Twelve [Apostles] who has ever spent much time worrying about this matter of evolution.

    Nelson: We have this doctrine, recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 101: “When the Lord shall come again, he shall reveal all things, things which have passed, hidden things which no man knew, things of the earth by which it was made and the purpose and the end thereof, things most precious, things that are above, things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, upon the earth, and in heaven.” So as I close that quotation, I realize that there are just some things that we won’t know until that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cougjunkie View Post
    Don't ever change.
    Based on his posting history here I would say there isn't much risk that he will.
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    so uh, what were their answers to the LGBT question and the PFS question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Nobody on this board could be a bigger DFU fan than me, but I didn't see this as any kind of symbolic swipe against his popularity or progressive nature. DHO is next in line to be the prophet. Makes total sense to put him in the presidency. Anyone who sees any meaning beyond that is looking to stir up drama.

    That being said, the biggest downside of this is that we will likely get to hear fewer DFU talks in GC. Bummer. DHO talks are a little too legalistic for my tastes.
    Agree with both points.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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