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Pres Nelson’s wife is 26 years younger than him. I guess that not as weird as it sounds when you are talking about people past their 60s but I had no idea of the age difference until this morning.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by Topper View PostThose were the samples I found upon a quick search.
I can see a lot of things changing in the LDS Church but I don't see it becoming Church policy/doctrine/practice that gay marriage, and all the physical intimacy that usually follows within the bonds of marriage, is recognized of God as a good idea. But if it does change I am pretty sure I will just roll with it - baby!Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
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Originally posted by Northwestcoug View PostI honestly have no idea. It's more likely than not that he agrees with the November policy and the official LDS stance on LGBT issues. But there's quite a few members who sincerely want him to be more
progressive than Nelson or Oaks. He continually gives inspiring talks that don't focus on the church governance, and so they hope his talks reflect a progressive mentality.
Again, we are all conjecturing about who and where in the spectrum church leadership lies. And I have no knowledge about anyone's belief. I'm just contributing to the CS parlor game of where the leadership resides on the LGBT spectrum. Who knows, maybe Bednar is a closet liberal!
If there is a difference of opinion in leadership, we shouldn't be surprised. It's pretty clear there were significant differences of opinion in the church's last struggle with social justice, blacks and the priesthood.Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
-DOCTOR Wuap
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Originally posted by myboynoah View PostI agree, from his GC presentations. That said, I had occasion to attend a fairly intimate devotional by President Oaks with a small body of Saints in a remote part of the world. He was very engaging and caring, making sure to mingle among the attendees, greeting them all in person. His remarks were devoid of the standard legalistic approach I normally see in GC. In a way, I was like, "What the hell?"Originally posted by bluegoose View PostI had a similar experience about 8 years ago when he was here to re-organize our stake presidency. During the two Saturday stake conference sessions he was very down to earth, personable and engaging. I was cleaning the church that Saturday morning with our kids and he was very grandfatherly when speaking to the little kids. During the small gathering when he set apart the Stake Presidency he was still very loose, relaxed and even a little silly at times. However, during the Sunday morning session of stake conference it was like he flipped a switch and went back into general conference speaking mode. The relaxed, personable Elder Oaks was immediately replaced by the stern, somber, legalistic Elder Oaks.
The point is that DHO's mannerisms, speaking style, and interaction with people was so different from what I was used to seeing in GC talks. I'm not one who hates his GC style, but the difference was pretty dramatic. I always knew this in my head, but that meeting was one of the first times I really recognized that what we see in general conference may not be our leaders' real personalities. I think that much like o_g or Walter have board personas that I assume aren't how they act in every day interaction, some church leaders feel the need to present themselves in a certain way at official meetings. I'm not commenting on whether that is a good or a bad thing or which leaders do it more than others, but I do think it's important to acknowledge.Last edited by Omaha 680; 01-23-2018, 09:53 AM.
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Nate Oman argues that DFU could have a bigger impact on the missionary department than he will have on correlation.
http://nathanoman.com/2018/01/23/why...lly-important/
We are now in a moment that looks a lot like the early 20th century: low growth rates and the tentative search for new methods and messages. There are lots of starts and stops and the Church as an institution tends to be conservative and risk adverse, but I think that the over all trajectory suggests the search for a new missionary model.
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And it would seem that for the time being, that finding that model is the job that has been given to Elder Uchtdorf. Hence, I suspect that he will be plenty influential on the Church going forward. That is encouraging."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostNate Oman argues that DFU could have a bigger impact on the missionary department than he will have on correlation.
http://nathanoman.com/2018/01/23/why...lly-important/Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
-DOCTOR Wuap
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Originally posted by Omaha 680 View PostMy wife and I served in the Winter Quarters Temple Baptistry when DHO's brother was Temple President. (Temple) President and Sister Oaks are some of the best people I have ever met and we will always cherish the time we got to spend serving with them in a small temple. Then-Elder Oaks came to visit the area once; I assume he came mainly to visit his brother, but he also Presided over a Stake Conference and had a separate meeting just for temple workers. The temple worker meeting was somewhat informal. DHO spoke as well as his brother and SIL and DHO took questions. There was a lot of joking and ribbing between the brothers during their talks. I remember specifically noticing how DHO's shoulders bounced when he laughed because he did it so often during his brother's talk. I also remember some funny stories from when DHO was a widower and dating his current wife as an apostle.
The point is that DHO's mannerisms, speaking style, and interaction with people was so different from what I was used to seeing in GC talks. I'm not one who hates his GC style, but the difference was pretty dramatic. I always knew this in my head, but that meeting was one of the first times I really recognized that what we see in general conference may not be our leaders' real personalities. I think that much like o_g or Walter have board personas that I assume aren't how they act in every day interaction, some church leaders feel the need to present themselves in a certain way at official meetings. I'm not commenting on whether that is a good or a bad thing or which leaders do it more than others, but I do think it's important to acknowledge.
The point of this boring story is that DDO is a really funny, laid back, even sort of sloppy in his dress and grooming, kind of guy. Quite the juxtaposition with the public persona of his dad. I wonder how much of that sort of person DHO might be in private (probably not the untucked shirt and bed head that DDO often had though).Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
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Originally posted by Omaha 680 View PostMy wife and I served in the Winter Quarters Temple Baptistry when DHO's brother was Temple President. (Temple) President and Sister Oaks are some of the best people I have ever met and we will always cherish the time we got to spend serving with them in a small temple. Then-Elder Oaks came to visit the area once; I assume he came mainly to visit his brother, but he also Presided over a Stake Conference and had a separate meeting just for temple workers. The temple worker meeting was somewhat informal. DHO spoke as well as his brother and SIL and DHO took questions. There was a lot of joking and ribbing between the brothers during their talks. I remember specifically noticing how DHO's shoulders bounced when he laughed because he did it so often during his brother's talk. I also remember some funny stories from when DHO was a widower and dating his current wife as an apostle.
The point is that DHO's mannerisms, speaking style, and interaction with people was so different from what I was used to seeing in GC talks. I'm not one who hates his GC style, but the difference was pretty dramatic. I always knew this in my head, but that meeting was one of the first times I really recognized that what we see in general conference may not be our leaders' real personalities. I think that much like o_g or Walter have board personas that I assume aren't how they act in every day interaction, some church leaders feel the need to present themselves in a certain way at official meetings. I'm not commenting on whether that is a good or a bad thing or which leaders do it more than others, but I do think it's important to acknowledge.Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postdho and i are very similar in lots of ways"I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
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Did clack take over og’s account?
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostDid clack take over og’s account?
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