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Originally posted by Art Vandelay View PostI wish I had listened (known) to the UT/Walter faction when I was in school and made a boatload of money before I was 30. I’m not sure what political party that falls under, but I endorse it.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by Uncle Ted View PostI don't what you are talking about, Art... Walter and I are both college dropouts."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostIf someone walks into a bakery and the baker says, "Sorry, we don't serve gays here" then I would agree that it is indistinguishable from racial discrimination and should be banned. But this baker in Colorado says that he has zero problem selling products to gay people and he does it all the time. Cakes, cookies, bread, etc. But when it comes to preparing a product specifically targeted at a gay marriage celebration, he has moral qualms with that.
Most folks here are on record as saying that baking a cake in such circumstances shouldn't violate someone's religious sensibilities. But the fact that you and I think it is dumb is irrelevant. This is arguably a rather narrow niche. Do you really feel comfortable employing the hand of government to force compulsion in this case? Should religious sensibilities not be given any weight in the public sphere? Are you comfortable with that balance (or lack thereof) going forward?I'm like LeBron James.
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Twitter is abuzz right now about the lawyer for the state’s apparently terrible argument, and Kennedy’s sympathetic response towards the baker.
Swing, Justice Kennedy!"...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
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Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Postat one point in time the LDS church was against interracial marriages - if I'm an LDS cake baker in that era, asked to bake a cake for an interracial couple, you think religious sensibilities should be considered?sigpic
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Originally posted by cowboy View PostShort answer-it shouldn't matter why someone doesn't want to work for someone else, they shouldn't be compelled to do work they don't want to unless it is a basic, necessary service.I'm like LeBron James.
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Originally posted by All-American View PostThis gets at what I think is the true underlying issue. Do they really care about having that specific baker bake them a cake? Probably not. Would you really want somebody who believes what you are doing violates their most deeply felt beliefs participating in your big day? I doubt it. This isn't about the cake. It's a challenge to the propriety of believing that gay marriage violates your religious beliefs.
That belief might be wrong and it might be right, but I don't like government force being used as the vehicle to fight that battle.
It isn't under attack. This has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with whether or not a business owner can discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. No one is going to challenge this guys right to believe that homosexual marriage is morally wrong.
Why I liked the result of Obergefell, I really hate that decision. It was such a punt on actually establishing the level of scrutiny for sexual orientation. Hopefully, it will finally get addressed this time.As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
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It's funny how people can't draw a distinction between offering housing, food, banking access, etc and baking a wedding cake.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostIf someone walks into a bakery and the baker says, "Sorry, we don't serve gays here" then I would agree that it is indistinguishable from racial discrimination and should be banned. But this baker in Colorado says that he has zero problem selling products to gay people and he does it all the time. Cakes, cookies, bread, etc. But when it comes to preparing a product specifically targeted at a gay marriage celebration, he has moral qualms with that.
Most folks here are on record as saying that baking a cake in such circumstances shouldn't violate someone's religious sensibilities. But the fact that you and I think it is dumb is irrelevant. This is arguably a rather narrow niche. Do you really feel comfortable employing the hand of government to force compulsion in this case? Should religious sensibilities not be given any weight in the public sphere? Are you comfortable with that balance (or lack thereof) going forward?As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
--Kendrick Lamar
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Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Postat one point in time the LDS church was against interracial marriages - if I'm an LDS cake baker in that era, asked to bake a cake for an interracial couple, you think religious sensibilities should be considered?"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by mpfunk View PostHere is where my cynicism comes out, the only reason he is willing to sell to gays and doesn't discriminate against them from coming into his store and buying something is because that is clearly settled as a public accommodation and he is being forced to do so. If he had a choice, I'm pretty sure he would refuse to sell anything to the gays. Sorry, I'm just not willing to give people seeking to restrict rights based on sexual orientation the benefit of the doubt here."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostI doubt this logic would hold up in court, funk. Sorry.
Your belief in God wouldn't hold up in court either. It is a personal belief, not a legal argument.As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
--Kendrick Lamar
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