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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Last night MSNBC played video of Moore speaking at his campaign rally where he complained about how the government invented "new" rights in 1965. Uh, yeah, nice white nationalist code for complaining at the Congress for declaring in legislation that black people actually have the right to vote.
    I don't want to defend this idiot, but the overwhelming likelihood is that he's not talking about the Civil Rights Act of 1965 which essentially just backed up clearly enumerated rights in the constitution. Usually when conservatives talk about this, particularly one who has been involved with the courts, they're talking about the invention of rights in Supreme Court cases. Griswold v. Connecticut, decided in 1965, held that there was a right to privacy which is not in the constitution. The notion of a right to privacy was used as grounds in Roe v. Wade.

    edit-- I just watched the video and he talks about the Supreme Court "taking prayer out of school" in 1962. In the next sentence he says "they" then started creating new rights in 1965. Clearly he's talking about the Supreme Court decisions and not the 1965 Civil Rights Act.
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    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Birds of a feather:

    That's kind of funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    I don't want to defend this idiot, but the overwhelming likelihood is that he's not talking about the Civil Rights Act of 1965 which essentially just backed up clearly enumerated rights in the constitution. Usually when conservatives talk about this, particularly one who has been involved with the courts, they're talking about the invention of rights in Supreme Court cases. Griswold v. Connecticut, decided in 1965, held that there was a right to privacy which is not in the constitution. The notion of a right to privacy was used as grounds in Roe v. Wade.
    Ok, but the cryptic doublespeak is probably more effective to the type of audience he talks to, then to directly take a strong stand against the right to privacy,which probably wouldn't go over that well with his fans if spelled out that way. Or why not just say "abortion" and everyone can agree. By the way, doesn't the 4th amendment make a strong case for a right to privacy? I mean if the government doesn't have the right to search your "papers" without a warrant, isn't privacy kind of supported there? I'm not a lawyer, but that makes common sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Isn't he also accused of hiring underaged prostitutes?
    The judge threw that out due to the lack of evidence.... https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...nocent-actions

    But all the other senators and such should have asked him to step down based on that, I guess. Rumors of underage sex crimes should be enough assume a man is guilty until proven otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Ok, but the cryptic doublespeak is probably more effective to the type of audience he talks to then to directly take a strong stand against the right to privacy. By the way, doesn't the 4th amendment make a strong case to a right to privacy? I mean if the government doesn't have the right to search your "papers" without a warrant, isn't privacy kind of supported there? I'm not a lawyer, but that makes common sense to me.
    Cryptic doublespeak? He's talking about the Supreme Court disallowing prayer in school in one sentence and then in the next sentence he says "they then started creating rights in 1965." It's pretty clear he's talking about the Supreme Court again. Whenever "creation of constitutional rights" rhetoric is used, people are talking about the Supreme Court.

    The 5th Amendment, particularly due process, is the basis for which a privacy right is found.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    That's kind of funny.
    Yeah, it's funny when it's just Forrest Forrest Gump who is harmlessly Alabama dumb, but Trenton Garmon is sadly dangerously Alabama stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    This is the political narcissism I was talking about yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Yeah, it's funny when it's just Forrest Forrest Gump who is harmlessly Alabama dumb, but Trenton Garmon is sadly dangerously Alabama stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I am for mocking Canadians at every opportunity.
    Me too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    Cryptic doublespeak? He's talking about the Supreme Court disallowing prayer in school in one sentence and then in the next sentence he says "they then started creating rights in 1965." It's pretty clear he's talking about the Supreme Court again. Whenever "creation of constitutional rights" rhetoric is used, people are talking about the Supreme Court.

    The 5th Amendment, particularly due process, is the basis for which a privacy right is found.
    That may be the direction the legal debate has gone, over the years, but I'm arguing outside of that perhaps just philosophically, I guess, that there is a strongly implied right to privacy in the 4th amendment:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.

    To this day the idea in the UK and most other countries is that if you have nothing to hide, why worry about it? The founders were well familiar with that point of view but had this written in such a way to break from that tradition. Why? Because their at the time radical idea was that even if you have nothing to hide, it's still not the "king's" business unless there is probable cause you're guilty of a real crime. Along with the criminal defense implications, it's also a right to privacy.
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    I know I always refer to these guys, but I was listening to Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew this morning and they were talking about this. Drew had an observation that the 70s was a weird time regarding sexual permissiveness, though he was in no way excusing the behavior. I started watching Woody Allen's Manhattan a couple months ago and he's dating a 17 year-old at the beginning of the movie. Keep in mind, Allen's proclivities played no small role in Ronan Farrow bringing about the whole #metoo avalanche.

    I also thought that as more evidence undoubtedly comes out Moore could just point out that Woody Allen was popularizing this behavior in the anything-goes 70s. I'm sure that would play well with the Alabama people.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I am for mocking Canadians at every opportunity.
    You say that now, but you'll be singing a different tune when you're trying to escape the country during Comrade Trump's 5th term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    That may be the direction the legal debate has gone, over the years, but I'm arguing outside of that perhaps just philosophically, I guess, that there is an implied right to privacy in the 4th amendment:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.

    To this day the idea in the UK and most other countries is that if you have nothing to hide, why worry about it? This was written in such a way to break from that tradition. Why? Because if you have nothing to hide, it's still not the "king's" business unless there is probable cause you're guilty of a real crime: that's a right to privacy.
    The 4th Amendment disallows fishing expeditions and seeks to ensure the government stays within certain confines of behavior with relation to criminal investigation and prosecutions. It has nothing to do with a global right to privacy.

    Substantive due process means that there are certain fundamental rights that can't be infringed on by the government without a very compelling rationale. The enactment of such a law violating a fundamental right, on its face, denies someone due process. It's the same legal doctrine that was used to legalize gay marriage. Again, it's not based in the 4th Amendment.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    You say that now, but you'll be singing a different tune when you're trying to escape the country during Comrade Trump's 5th term.
    Only if they get rid of that Trudeau dufus first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    As far as Menendez goes, it's hard to ramp up the same amount of hype over a politician accused of taking bribes in exchange for political favors as with someone accused of being a child molester. Not to excuse the former, but it's not the same thing to most people.
    Yep... not the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    The 4th Amendment disallows fishing expeditions and seeks to ensure the government stays within certain confines of behavior with relation to criminal investigation and prosecutions. It has nothing to do with a global right to privacy.

    Substantive due process means that there are certain fundamental rights that can't be infringed on by the government without a very compelling rationale. The enactment of such a law violating a fundamental right, on its face, denies someone due process. It's the same legal doctrine that was used to legalize gay marriage. Again, it's not based in the 4th Amendment.
    I don't understand the jump in logic from right to privacy to Constitutional right to an abortion. I don't see that either. And I'm not a lawyer, and maybe that's why it's easier for me to just do a reading of the 4th amendment and also have a little understanding of the history at the time and the struggle against the king, to have the right to privacy jump out at me from reading it. Really, the amendment banning the forced quartering of soldiers actually goes along with this also in that it takes away another possible means of the crown spying on the citizens.To say there is no right to privacy written into the Constitution to me seems absurd. Again, I don't see the connection to abortion, which is the real reason this right offends social conservatives.

    And my libertarianism is showing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yep... not the same thing.

    That was reprehensible on the part of Ted Kennedy, and perhaps criminal, but that still isn't the same thing. You're slacking on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Only if they get rid of that Trudeau dufus first.
    Viva Justin Castro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    Viva Justin Castro!

    It's not he will let refugees in anyway. I'll just go to Mexico.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    I don't understand the jump in logic from right to privacy to Constitutional right to an abortion. I don't see that either. And I'm not a lawyer, and maybe that's why it's easier for me to just do a reading of the 4th amendment and also have a little understanding of the history at the time and the struggle against the king, to have the right to privacy jump out at me from reading it. Really, the amendment banning the forced quartering of soldiers actually goes along with this also in that it takes away another possible means of the crown spying on the citizens.To say there is no right to privacy written into the Constitution to me seems absurd. Again, I don't see the connection to abortion, which is the real reason this right offends social conservatives.

    And my libertarianism is showing.
    This is the second sentence from the wikipedia entry on Roe v. Wade:

    "The Court ruled 7–2 that a right to privacy under the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion, but that this right must be balanced against the state's interests in regulating abortions: protecting women's health and protecting the potentiality of human life."

    The 14th Amendment repeats the due process clause and makes it applicable to the states. There's a direct line between Griswold v. Connecticut (1965) and Roe v. Wade. Roy Moore, for all his faults, was a justice on the Alabama Supreme Court so he clearly knows these precedents since it's been the pet issue of judicial conservatives for 45 years.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I thought we had another Webb Hubbell-Chelsea Clinton deal on our hands and then I looked up a picture of Pierre Trudeau.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    I thought we had another Webb Hubbell-Chelsea Clinton deal on our hands and then I looked up a picture of Pierre Trudeau.
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    That is pretty funny.

    Why did he sign his name "Roy Moore DA"? What is the "DA" for?
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    District Attorney.
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    Hmm... I thought he was only the Assistant District Attorney. Do Assistant DA's normally sign their names will "DA" after them? Or did he do this just to impress the girls?
    So apparently Roy Moore didn't put DA after his name... But his assistant did when he stamped his signature and then wrote his initials:

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    weird and offensive take bro
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    Sh*t dumbass lawyers say when they know their client's story is falling apart....

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    weird and offensive take bro
    You should tell that to the lady's step-son bro... http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...=1#post1342881
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    You should tell that to the lady's step-son bro...
    I always think it's weird when newsbots get sassy. At least the other doesn't seem to do it as much.

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    What did I miss? Has Ted gone full-on Roy Moore apologist? Step back from the edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    What did I miss? Has Ted gone full-on Roy Moore apologist? Step back from the edge.
    No, Roy Moore is a dumbass bible-thumping bigot. I have already stated this more than once. Please try to keep up, Frank. Ms. Nelson's BS story is just going to drive Moore's republican base to the voting polls in full numbers. The independents will also vote for him because they will believe the democrats are behind this dumbass idea. Hell, democrats might even vote for him given they are disgusted with their party. They should all just vote for the libertarian.
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