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    Default Another mass shooting. This time in a church in small town Texas

    About 45 minutes from me.

    Some reports stating 24 dead. Not sure yet.

    Uggh.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ooting-n817751

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    CNN reporting 27 dead and 24 injured right now.

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    Oh my god, when is this shit gonna end? How awful.
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    Apparently the church's pastor and wife were out of town and their 14 year old daughter was there and one of the dead.

    This is terrible. Multiple children dead.

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    27 dead in a community of less than 500 people. So tragic.

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    it’s ok though, this is a small price to pay for the right of impotent nerds to fantasize about using guns to stop the gubmint from taking them away
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    it’s ok though, this is a small price to pay for the right of impotent nerds to fantasize about using guns to stop the gubmint from taking them away
    You are weird.

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    An interview with one of the guys that apparently shot the killer and then followed him until he ran off the road and died:

    TEXAS CHURCH SHOOTING
    CITIZEN SHOT BACK, FOLLOWED SHOOTER
    Victims from Age 5 to 72

    Texas officials just held a press conference about the deadliest mass shooting in the state, and revealed that a local resident fired back at the shooter who killed 26 people at a small town church ... and then gave chase before the gunman was found dead.


    A rep for the Texas Department of Public Safety gave a blow-by-blow account of what went down Sunday morning in Sutherland Springs, TX where a gunman opened fire at the First Baptist Church.
    He says the gunman, reportedly ID'd as Devin Kelley, was dressed in all black tactical gear when he opened fire on the church -- using an AR assault-style rifle -- from the outside and then continued inside. When he walked out again, a local resident engaged him with his own rifle, causing the gunman to flee.


    The resident followed the gunman in a separate vehicle, and the gunman was later found shot dead around a nearby county line ... where cops say they found more firearms in his car. It's unclear if the gunman suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound, or if the resident shot and killed him.

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    http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/05/texas-...lowed-shooter/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    An interview with one of the guys that apparently shot the killer and then followed him until he ran off the road and died:


    http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/05/texas-...lowed-shooter/
    Mass shooting fatigue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Mass shooting fatigue.
    Same.
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    Apparently iPhones are pulling triggers these days...

    Trump DOJ suggests iPhone encryption costs lives following Texas shooting

    The debate over privacy and security between tech companies and the government is playing out in public yet again. Without naming Apple specifically, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein suggested this week in comments reported by The Washington Examiner that the company’s position on strong encryption may cost lives. Rosenstein’s comments follow reports that the recent church shooter in Texas used an iPhone that may not be accessible by the government.

    The second-highest ranking official at the Department of Justice argues that ‘no reasonable person’ believes authorities shouldn’t be able to access the shooter’s phone:

    “When you shoot dozens of innocent American citizens, we want law enforcement to investigate your communications and stored data,” Rosenstein said Thursday, adding, “‘There are things that we need to know.”


    “As a matter of fact, no reasonable person questions our right to access the phone. But the company that built it claims that it purposely designed the operating system so that the company cannot open the phone even with an order from a federal judge,” Rosenstein said, lamenting only maybe “eventually” will federal investigators be able to access Kelley’s phone.


    In addition to costing “a great deal of time and money,” Rosenstein said a delay “surely costs lives.”
    The issue is more complex than simply allowing authorities access to one bad guy’s iPhone. Apple cannot build back doors in its software for government and ensure every other customer’s data is kept private, the company argues.


    The debate certainly didn’t start under the Trump administration. Apple publicly defended its position while acknowledging the complexity of the issue last year when the FBI requested access to the San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone during the Obama administration.


    While that case was never fully tested by the legal system, it’s possible we may see a similar episode in the future. In the case of the Texas shooter, it was reported that the FBI may have missed its window to easily access the shooter’s iPhone. Apple responded to the report by saying that it proactively contacted the FBI to help offer any assistance possible.
    https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/10/iphon...od-rosenstein/

    The government is such a.... And they don't understand that the bad guys also like to use backdoors as well.

    BTW, the FBI could have unlocked the phone within 48 hours by using the dead guy's fingerprints.
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    Default Another mass shooting. This time in a church in small town Texas

    Apple siding with terrorists. Figures.
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    And now another shooting in a California Elementary school. This country has gone crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    And now another shooting in a California Elementary school. This country has gone crazy.
    Half hour drive from me. It doesn't sound like it is a school shooting, exactly. A shooting that began at someone's nearby home that spilled over to involve at least a few kids at the school. Details are really sketchy so far. All I've read is that the shooter, who is now dead, was a felon, that has been tormenting the neighbors for quite some time. So far they've dispatched 3 helicopters and multiple ambulances to the scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Half hour drive from me. It doesn't sound like it is a school shooting, exactly. A shooting that began at someone's nearby home that spilled over to involve at least a few kids at the school. Details are really sketchy so far. All I've read is that the shooter, who is now dead, was a felon, that has been tormenting the neighbors for quite some time. So far they've dispatched 3 helicopters and multiple ambulances to the scene.
    If what the neighbor says about the shooter's recent behavior is true and was reported to police, I can't understand why action wasn't taken to disarm him. I'm no where near the Byron Marchant camp of "taking away all the guns", but I have no problem taking away the guns of someone who is displaying mental illness or is threatening others. If there are real barriers to that kind of action, then that is the gun control we should start with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    If what the neighbor says about the shooter's recent behavior is true and was reported to police, I can't understand why action wasn't taken to disarm him. I'm no where near the Byron Marchant camp of "taking away all the guns", but I have no problem taking away the guns of someone who is displaying mental illness or is threatening others. If there are real barriers to that kind of action, then that is the gun control we should start with.
    I agree with this. Back to the article that JL posted, shootings committed by someone with a restraining order against them are the cause of a large proportion of deaths. This seems like low-hanging fruit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    If what the neighbor says about the shooter's recent behavior is true and was reported to police, I can't understand why action wasn't taken to disarm him. I'm no where near the Byron Marchant camp of "taking away all the guns", but I have no problem taking away the guns of someone who is displaying mental illness or is threatening others. If there are real barriers to that kind of action, then that is the gun control we should start with.
    I have no problem taking guns away from felons as well. It seems this guy was all three. Of course, the question is how did a felon get those guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    If what the neighbor says about the shooter's recent behavior is true and was reported to police, I can't understand why action wasn't taken to disarm him. I'm no where near the Byron Marchant camp of "taking away all the guns", but I have no problem taking away the guns of someone who is displaying mental illness or is threatening others. If there are real barriers to that kind of action, then that is the gun control we should start with.
    What they have to figure out is due process. Similar to a restraining order, I assume they could temporarily collect the guns from the person in question and then have a hearing to determine if he/she gets them back within a short/set time frame. Police would need to be prepared to store them for people - which would require some preparation. And you always run the risk of a crazy person giving you some of their guns but not all of them, and the police showing up actually triggering an act instead of stopping one.

    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    I agree with this. Back to the article that JL posted, shootings committed by someone with a restraining order against them are the cause of a large proportion of deaths. This seems like low-hanging fruit.
    I used to deal with folks who had restraining orders more in the past, and for some reason it seems to me that when there was a restraining order due to allegations of domestic violence, the person in question had to have a friend or family member hold their guns for them - at least temporarily. Not sure if that's still the case or not.

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    So it sounds like the school going on lockdown saved a lot of lives. Because he couldn’t gain entry to any classrooms he left and instead drove around town crashing into then shooting people at random. If he’d gained access to classrooms it could’ve been a slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBlue View Post
    So it sounds like the school going on lockdown saved a lot of lives. Because he couldn’t gain entry to any classrooms he left and instead drove around town crashing into then shooting people at random. If he’d gained access to classrooms it could’ve been a slaughter.
    Yep, those lockdown drills that everyone despises totally paid off yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Yep, those lockdown drills that everyone despises totally paid off yesterday.
    Everyone despises the drills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Everyone despises the drills?

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    I don't know about EVERYONE. But my daughter does.

    She was in the restroom when they did a lock down in her Jr. High. She had no idea what to do, not being in her classroom. So she went out into the hallway thinking she would run back to class. The assistant principal was in the hall and pointed at her and said "You're Dead!" with an angry look on her face. It was kind of a bad experience for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Everyone despises the drills?
    My wife is a junior high teacher. The kids definitely roll their eyes and complain every time they are told to crawl under their desks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    I have no problem taking guns away from felons as well. It seems this guy was all three. Of course, the question is how did a felon get those guns.
    that is the question. but not sure it matters what the answer is. if a felon wants a gun, he'll get a gun.
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