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    I think Ty has more potential to grow into being a good D1 OC than most of the other staff does to be good at their positions. Also, when everything is going wrong at the same time, it points to culture (i.e., head coach). When we hire a head coach who mostly brings in his bros with no experience in their current coaching positions, it's on him if it doesn't work out.

    I still hope these guys figure things out, but it isn't looking good after a season and a half.
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    The way academia is going, I think we should bring in a successful CEO; definitely a business major, preferably with an MBA-running a team is really a business venture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Public View Post
    I think Ty has more potential to grow into being a good D1 OC than most of the other staff does to be good at their positions. Also, when everything is going wrong at the same time, it points to culture (i.e., head coach). When we hire a head coach who mostly brings in his bros with no experience in their current coaching positions, it's on him if it doesn't work out.

    I still hope these guys figure things out, but it isn't looking good after a season and a half.
    tuiaki has been good imo. of his bros the most suspect hire is reno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delux_247 View Post
    Is a new head coach even a viable option? I wonder what kind of buyout clauses Kalani and Ty have in their contracts and if BYU could even afford new coaches at this point. The pool of coaches BYU can pick from is so limited that I worry we will be in for more of the same. We could never afford a proved D1 coach so we would either have to pull from the coordinator ranks or find some up and coming FCS coach (is there even one who is LDS)?

    If a coaching change is in the near future I don't see any good options at this point - which is why I'd say ride it out another year.

    In the current environment the honor code and LDS head coach requirements are the biggest limiters to building a more successful program. BYU has stacked the deck against themselves.
    30 billion. The church can afford it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    30 billion. The church can afford it.
    Could but won't.

    Ditching the concept that the head coach must be LDS should be the first priority. Wont' happen.

    Paying head coach and assistant coaches prevailing wages. Not likely to happen but might.

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    Fuck you guys. Disloyal pricks. This season is like Ty's 5-pick game in his debut against Wyo. You guys will be eating your hats when our Ty-power offense leads the nation and gets tons of accolades including a Heisman for the Joe Critchlow. I'm sticking with our guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Fuck you guys. Disloyal pricks. This season is like Ty's 5-pick game in his debut against Wyo. You guys will be eating your hats when our Ty-power offense leads the nation and gets tons of accolades including a Heisman for the Joe Critchlow. I'm sticking with our guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Fuck you guys. Disloyal pricks. This season is like Ty's 5-pick game in his debut against Wyo. You guys will be eating your hats when our Ty-power offense leads the nation and gets tons of accolades including a Heisman for the Joe Critchlow. I'm sticking with our guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Fuck you guys. Disloyal pricks. This season is like Ty's 5-pick game in his debut against Wyo. You guys will be eating your hats when our Ty-power offense leads the nation and gets tons of accolades including a Heisman for the Joe Critchlow. I'm sticking with our guy.
    Ty makes Norm Chow look like the model of adaptation and innovation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Fuck you guys. Disloyal pricks. This season is like Ty's 5-pick game in his debut against Wyo. You guys will be eating your hats when our Ty-power offense leads the nation and gets tons of accolades including a Heisman for the Joe Critchlow. I'm sticking with our guy.
    I know of a surety that this is sarcastic YO. I think.

    But the salty language is no laughing matter. Please bridle your tongue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Ty makes Norm Chow look like the model of adaptation and innovation.
    Norm Chow has a legacy as one of the best offensive coordinators in the history of college football and BYU fans drove him away. Not sure this is the insult you wanted it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Norm Chow has a legacy as one of the best offensive coordinators in the history of college football and BYU fans drove him away. Not sure this is the insult you wanted it to be.
    It has many layers, but if I have to explain it,

    BYU fans drove him away.
    BYU fans found him to boring and not innovative.

    BYU fans got the O coordinator they wanted and look what BYU fans have now....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    It has many layers, but if I have to explain it,

    BYU fans drove him away.
    BYU fans found him to boring and not innovative.

    BYU fans got the O coordinator they wanted and look what BYU fans have now....
    lol. You're a treat.

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    The problem in my opinion is that BYU as an institution has taken football success and revenue as a given. They have been reaping without sowing for years. They will be forced to invest in football and basketball as a school instead of the current approach. If they don't, they will lose the revenue and support of sports loving donors who have other options like Utah and even lowly UVU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    The problem in my opinion is that BYU as an institution has taken football success and revenue as a given. They have been reaping without sowing for years. They will be forced to invest in football and basketball as a school instead of the current approach. If they don't, they will lose the revenue and support of sports loving donors who have other options like Utah and even lowly UVU.
    I don’t have personal knowledge, but this is my perception, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    The problem in my opinion is that BYU as an institution has taken football success and revenue as a given. They have been reaping without sowing for years. They will be forced to invest in football and basketball as a school instead of the current approach. If they don't, they will lose the revenue and support of sports loving donors who have other options like Utah and even lowly UVU.
    Elaborate. Do you just mean not spending?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Fuck you guys. Disloyal pricks. This season is like Ty's 5-pick game in his debut against Wyo. You guys will be eating your hats when our Ty-power offense leads the nation and gets tons of accolades including a Heisman for the Joe Critchlow. I'm sticking with our guy.
    Ha. If Ty had thrown five interceptions in seven games in a row, then you might have a valid comparison.
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    I stand with YOhio and KillerDog. Kalani, Ty and Tuiaki should be given a legitimate shot to right the ship. As KD stated there are institutional issues that have been slowly killing the football program. Coordinators are going to struggle given the injury situation and lack of talent.

    I agree with you who think Reno and Ben should get the boot. Empey should stay. BYU needs an upgrade in S&C coach. I'd also consider replacing Holmoe even though I really like him.

    Also serious consideration should be given to back to a conference whether it be the AAC or the MWC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Ha. If Ty had thrown five interceptions in seven games in a row, then you might have a valid comparison.
    Agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    I stand with YOhio and KillerDog. Kalani, Ty and Tuiaki should be given a legitimate shot to right the ship. As KD stated there are institutional issues that have been slowly killing the football program. Coordinators are going to struggle given the injury situation and lack of talent.

    I agree with you who think Reno and Ben should get the boot. Empey should stay. BYU needs an upgrade in S&C coach. I'd also consider replacing Holmoe even though I really like him.
    So you and I simply disagree over which assistant coach to fire first. Gotcha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    Also serious consideration should be given to back to a conference whether it be the AAC or the MWC.
    Yeah, let's a take a huge pay cut and go crawling back to a shitty conference right at a point when we have the worst losing streak in decades. That will solve it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    The problem in my opinion is that BYU as an institution has taken football success and revenue as a given. They have been reaping without sowing for years. They will be forced to invest in football and basketball as a school instead of the current approach. If they don't, they will lose the revenue and support of sports loving donors who have other options like Utah and even lowly UVU.
    BYU or the BOT? I keep hearing that it isn't BYU's desire to underpay/under invest but the desire of the BOT. How does BYU pay their non sports faculty compared to other institutions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USUC View Post
    BYU or the BOT? I keep hearing that it isn't BYU's desire to underpay/under invest but the desire of the BOT. How does BYU pay their non sports faculty compared to other institutions?
    It's BYU politics. People love to blame the BOT for lots of stuff but this is at the VP and President level at BYU. If I donate $1mm to the school athletic programs to see them get better, they take the money previously spent on athletics and reappropriate it so they don't have to pay more. Their goal isn't success, it's milking the programs and the donors. The arrogance of the Admissions department is tragic. I love the school but change needs to come. BYU would love to have the entire school endowed by donors but still claim that they get tithing money. They could then take all the prior funds and use them for BYU Hawaii or BYU Idaho, which are expanding. Why grow the secondary brand? Grow the primary brand!

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    If the institutional issues are killing the football program, hiring or firing any coordinators is not going to fix anything. If the institution isn’t interested in fielding a competitive football team, then why even try?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    It's BYU politics. They could then take all the prior funds and use them for BYU Hawaii or BYU Idaho, which are expanding. Why grow the secondary brand? Grow the primary brand!
    I've heard from a very good source that BYU-I is not going to be expanding in the near future. Departments have been told to cut their budgets, they are closing down and selling the outdoor center up in the Teton Valley and trips by faulty members for academic reasons have been cut. Pathways keeps growing and my guess is the church is going to put the funds there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    If the institutional issues are killing the football program, hiring or firing any coordinators is not going to fix anything. If the institution isn’t interested in fielding a competitive football team, then why even try?

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    My guess is Henry Eyring is trying to find a nice way to kill the sports program in Provo like he did Rexburg and expand Pathways. This year will just be one step closer to making it easier for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    Also serious consideration should be given to back to a conference whether it be the AAC or the MWC.
    If you hadn't added this last line, I could try to agree with you. This is the suicide option. It's a terrible idea.

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    Here's the thing. What's more likely: ty being a good OC under a different head coach, or Kalani being a good head coach with a different OC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    Here's the thing. What's more likely: ty being a good OC under a different head coach, or Kalani being a good head coach with a different OC?
    Exactly.

    Our offense is a disaster right now. Not just talent but horrible execution and play calling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveCoug View Post
    If you hadn't added this last line, I could try to agree with you. This is the suicide option. It's a terrible idea.
    No it's not. Independence is a factor in our recruiting and scheduling woes.

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