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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    At this point I don't care if BYU goes back to a conference (I would prefer AAC over MWC), but help me understand how that would improve our coach candidate pool.
    This board has trouble distinguishing the HC (head coach) from the HC (honor code). A similar problem plagues y'alls favorite football team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    This board has trouble distinguishing the HC (head coach) from the HC (honor code). A similar problem plagues y'alls favorite football team.
    Is there anything more banal than a ute fan opining on the BYU honor code? I think not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    At this point I don't care if BYU goes back to a conference (I would prefer AAC over MWC), but help me understand how that would improve our coach candidate pool.
    I don't think it would (I didn't make that clear.) I just think that our constraints make it too hard for us to be competitive nationally, which is what we need to be if we are independent. Without a possible national title to play for, the next best thing is being part of a conference where we play for conference title and renew old rivalries. I think the MWC has said they won't take us back, but I'd bet they change their mind given the chance. My preference is MWC just because the away games would be easier to attend, but any conference is better than no conference right now, imo.

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    Greg Wrubell tweeted something about the AAC pushing to be considered P6. I notice it because I thought it was interesting he was tweeting about AAC. Trial balloon?
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    American Athletic Conference commissioner Mike Aresco on @CSNowTweets this morning: "The 'P6' narrative is very important to us...we feel that we're closer to the P5 than we are the (other G5s)."
    7:54 AM - 28 Nov 2017
    One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Simple: easily understood. It seems plain to everyone that Ty was one of the biggest issues with our offensive woes this year. I hope so, and that replacing him is a simple or plain way to get things going in the right direction. I fear that history will show otherwise, and that this change made no difference. He's a pretty smart guy. I'm not buying the narrative that's being sold. While I love Sitake, I think Ty is the sacrificial lamb to give him more time to figure things out.

    I think Mangum was a huge factor in the train wreck, coupled with the lack of productivity of our seniors on offense.

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    I think one of the big problems here is that yes, Ty is a sacrificial lamb for Sitake, but Ty is better suited as the SL for Tom Holmoe. I don't for a minute believe that Kalani chose Ty Detmer. It was more like, "Kalani, we will let you be the HC if Ty Detmer is your OC". Now I don't believe Sitake is blameless, but the guy who should be sweating IMO is Tom Holmoe. This was a calculated risk to bring in Ty, I understand, but I would hope that we would allow the HC to chose who his assistants are. The OC and the HC, especially at BYU need to be on the same page. I go back to the presser the staff held two years ago. Ty was up there mentioning the names of walk-ons, an NCAA violation. Right then and there, Kalani had to be pissing in his pants. Ty is smart, and I think could eventually become a good OC, but he was WAAAAAY too green for this. He was not the right hire to begin with...that lies on the shoulders of Tom Holmoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Is there anything more banal than a ute fan opining on the BYU honor code? I think not.
    My Ute BIL wanted to spend much of the past two days discussing what could be done about the honor code to help BYU be better (because he cares as a football fan!). I wasn't biting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Is there anything more banal than a ute fan opining on the BYU honor code? I think not.
    I was about to opine about the BYU honor code, but because you are so mean I will not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    My Ute BIL wanted to spend much of the past two days discussing what could be done about the honor code to help BYU be better (because he cares as a football fan!). I wasn't biting.
    His religion must be kindness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowcat View Post
    Greg Wrubell tweeted something about the AAC pushing to be considered P6. I notice it because I thought it was interesting he was tweeting about AAC. Trial balloon?
    It would be cool for basketball. And I would go to the BYU at SMU game every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    I was about to opine about the BYU honor code, but because you are so mean I will not.
    yeah, besides that we don't care what a ute LDS apostate, once BYU student thinks about it anyway. And I say that in all sincerity, but not in a mean way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    My Ute BIL wanted to spend much of the past two days discussing what could be done about the honor code to help BYU be better (because he cares as a football fan!). I wasn't biting.
    Imagine 4 days at the inlaws, where they are all HUGE Ute fans (not huge enough to go to the game, mind you, but HUGE fans nonetheless). Never before during a 6-6 Ute season have the Ute fans been so eager to discuss BYU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Imagine 4 days at the inlaws, where they are all HUGE Ute fans (not huge enough to go to the game, mind you, but HUGE fans nonetheless). Never before during a 6-6 Ute season have the Ute fans been so eager to discuss BYU.
    It was like this during the Crowton years also as I remember, maybe worse. By the way, anyone who even comes close to suggesting Crowton come back as OC deserves to have their fan credentials yanked for life. There is a reason he was fired as OC at like a half dozen places after BYU, including SUU, of all places. Maybe someday Ty could figure out how to get the ideas in his head to translate into play on the field. Crowton has had many more years to figure that out and never could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    My Ute BIL wanted to spend much of the past two days discussing what could be done about the honor code to help BYU be better (because he cares as a football fan!). I wasn't biting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Imagine 4 days at the inlaws, where they are all HUGE Ute fans (not huge enough to go to the game, mind you, but HUGE fans nonetheless). Never before during a 6-6 Ute season have the Ute fans been so eager to discuss BYU.
    you guys married in to shitty families
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    you guys married in to shitty families
    Sheesh, no kidding. That would make me wanna
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    It was like this during the Crowton years also as I remember, maybe worse. By the way, anyone who even comes close to suggesting Crowton come back as OC deserves to have their fan credentials yanked for life. There is a reason he was fired as OC at like a half dozen places after BYU, including SUU, of all places. Maybe someday Ty could figure out how to get the ideas in his head to translate into play on the field. Crowton has had many more years to figure that out and never could.
    I was happy to see him find success at LSU in 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    you guys married in to shitty families
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    Sheesh, no kidding. That would make me wanna
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    Based on the summaries from Vanquish the Foe and my own limited knowledge of the available options, it seems like Paul Peterson is the best option with whom we have a realistic shot:

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    The most potent offense in Junior College Football? That belongs to Paul Peterson’s Snow College team, who is putting up 50.9 points per game this season.

    The former Boston College quarterback has been wreaking having on JUCO teams after tearing it up as offensive coordinator at Sacramento State for 6 years.

    Peterson was a graduate assistant at BYU at 2006 and served a LDS church mission.

    Peterson is a name many are probably unfamiliar with, but he could end up being a home run hire. With his play calling experience at the college level, innovative offense, JUCO connections (which would be great for recruiting), and familiarity with BYU and LDS culture, Peterson is among the favorites to be the next OC.
    https://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2017/...ve-coordinator

    He is LDS, has a few BYU connections, and has successful experience as both an OC and head coach at the collegiate level. Also, I like that most of his experience is separate from BYU and from other guys currently on the staff. I believe it is often helpful to have guys with differing backgrounds and experiences to bring varying perspectives, thereby enriching the whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Based on the summaries from Vanquish the Foe and my own limited knowledge of the available options, it seems like Paul Peterson is the best option with whom we have a realistic shot:



    https://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2017/...ve-coordinator

    He is LDS, has a few BYU connections, and has successful experience as both an OC and head coach at the collegiate level. Also, I like that most of his experience is separate from BYU and from other guys currently on the staff. I believe it is often helpful to have guys with differing backgrounds and experiences to bring varying perspectives, thereby enriching the whole.
    He is the only guy I have heard about so far who possesses both of the following attributes:

    1. We have a chance of landing
    2. Doesn't make me cringe when I think of him being hired

    Let's bring him on board!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Based on the summaries from Vanquish the Foe and my own limited knowledge of the available options, it seems like Paul Peterson is the best option with whom we have a realistic shot:



    https://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2017/...ve-coordinator

    He is LDS, has a few BYU connections, and has successful experience as both an OC and head coach at the collegiate level. Also, I like that most of his experience is separate from BYU and from other guys currently on the staff. I believe it is often helpful to have guys with differing backgrounds and experiences to bring varying perspectives, thereby enriching the whole.
    cons: he has a beard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    He is the only guy I have heard about so far who possesses both of the following attributes:

    1. We have a chance of landing
    2. Doesn't make me cringe when I think of him being hired

    Let's bring him on board!
    Wasn't he a Ricks guy?

    Edit: Nope. A Snow College QB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Wasn't he a Ricks guy?
    Snow College, then Boston College.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Based on the summaries from Vanquish the Foe and my own limited knowledge of the available options, it seems like Paul Peterson is the best option with whom we have a realistic shot:



    https://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2017/...ve-coordinator

    He is LDS, has a few BYU connections, and has successful experience as both an OC and head coach at the collegiate level. Also, I like that most of his experience is separate from BYU and from other guys currently on the staff. I believe it is often helpful to have guys with differing backgrounds and experiences to bring varying perspectives, thereby enriching the whole.
    I like the fact that we can depend on him to help us fill some holes via JC transfers in the short term, and he seems to know how to call a football game.

    Still a bit of a gamble, but he sends enough players to D-1 teams that maybe the leap to FBS wouldn't be too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I like the fact that we can depend on him to help us fill some holes via JC transfers in the short term, and he seems to know how to call a football game.

    Still a bit of a gamble, but he sends enough players to D-1 teams that maybe the leap to FBS wouldn't be too much.
    I have to think that anyone who isn't a gamble is going to see Kalani as a potential lame duck, and be very tough to get in.

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    If we can get Peterson it would be a very solid hire. He might be able take over when Sitake is fired in the next year or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    I have to think that anyone who isn't a gamble is going to see Kalani as a potential lame duck, and be very tough to get in.
    Or view it as a HC opportunity!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Or view it as a HC opportunity!!
    this...given the shallow pool of head coach candidates if you have some degree of success in reviving the offense you will be in the drivers seat when BYU is looking for a Kalani replacement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBlue View Post
    I'm down with the American. Partner up with Boise and let's go.
    Wichita State is basketball only, right?

    That's a pretty good conference. Better than the MWC. But man, that would be a lot of travel. Although, we are already traveling quite a bit I guess. Would be more difficult for basketball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Wichita State is basketball only, right?

    That's a pretty good conference. Better than the MWC. But man, that would be a lot of travel. Although, we are already traveling quite a bit I guess. Would be more difficult for basketball.
    I don't think a better option exists for us and I fear that if we wait too long, even these mid major conferences won't be able to take us due to public pressure. I don't know what too long is, maybe 5 years? Or maybe it's just 1-2 more seasons like this one where they'd say "thanks but we're good already."

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